I hate that 2/3 of my fellow citizens support this, either directly or or tacitly by choosing not to vote.
I really hope the protest/non voters are happy with the outcome they chose. I can’t wait to hear them tell me that Harris would have done this too! Anything to justify intentionally causing the suffering of more people…
Bombing the shit out of the Middle East is the only bipartisanism the US has ever reached, therefore yes, a Democrat would have had to bomb something because that’s what US presidents do. Anyway, keep on blaming voters instead of holding the party accountable for its mistakes.
“Don’t blame the voters who elected the president” is the sort of argument I’d expect from someone intentionally ignoring that he bombed nuclear sites.
BoTh SiDeS arguments are stupid and people who make them should be ignored. Like I said, anything to justify your bad choice.
I didn’t make a choice. I don’t live in the US. But my country is strewn with US military bases and it wasn’t Trump who put them there.
Trump is simply more ignorant about how a US president should bomb the shit out of Middle Eastern countries, but don’t act like he invented anything.
And yes, on some things “both sides suck” because the US have been terrorizing other countries for decades.
They bring desolation and have the gall of calling it peace.
You are the problem please leave the country.
What a Trumpy thing to say.
Voting doesn’t mean shit. I’m sick of arguing with bluemaga. Fuck it. Fight or get out. Stop blaming people who you think have a responsibility to lick your copmommy’s boots.
If fighting fasch were so important, you should have made literally any compromise.
If fighting fasch were so important, you should have made literally any compromise.
Any compromise other than voting for the Democrats, you mean. Clearly that’s a compromise too far for plenty here.
Or just any policy compromise. Don’t suck so much billionaire dick, 20% less enthusiasm with the genocide, do something about the cops, whatever. I don’t need everything.
I’m sick of arguing with bluemaga
then don’t.
Take your own advice and go fight or get out or whatever. Stop blaming people who you think have a responsibility to do whatever it is you think they should be doing for you and go do the thing yourself.
If fighting fasch were so important, you wouldn’t be indoors on lemmy telling people to leave.
go fight
No that sounds scary. I don’t want to go outside! There’s robbers and stuff out there!
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I’m not the one who helped let a Nazi win. I’m doing what I can, but I can’t change things with citizens who ignore how the system works and choose to sit out and let this shit happen.
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You are. You continue. Please actually do something or leave.
How the system works
I don’t think I’m the one who’s been ignoring that.
Both sides arguments are actually pretty enlightened. You can have criticisms of both candidates and vote for harm reduction. If anything the inability to criticize both sides for where they are the same is the same type of belligerent as MAGA. Harris running on building a fucking wall was a fucking disgrace.
But fuck not blaming voters for their stupid fucking decisions and fuck the sham of a democracy the US electoral system is. FPTP and WTA elections in the modern age are a fucking disgrace as well as no equal representation and voting with money.
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Whitaker followed up, asking, “If Iran is building a nuclear weapon, would you take military action?”
“I’m not going to talk about hypotheticals at this moment,” said the vice president.
‘voting is the only indicator of support’
You are the problem please leave this country.
No, voting is literally the least you can do, and that’s too much for some people…
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You’re the goddamn idiot if you thought abstaining from voting would help anything. Hope you’re proud of yourself shithead
You mean the people getting gassed and beaten and locked in cages fighting these bastards?
Who’ve been getting shot and stabbed and run over by them in street fights for a decade or more?
Yeah. Couldn’t be asked to lift a finger
That’s not ‘the least you can do’ by any means, but good try at a lazy gotcha to someone who has been tear gassed at these kinds of protests for years.
Yes, voting is the least you can do. Protesting is a very good tactic, but choosing to disregard political opportunities tells me you’re not really worth listening to.
Have fun playing computer warrior, kid, I’m tired of you.
Does that mean you’ll leave?
Protests
I also meant literally fighting these bastards, you know ; the Nazi gangsters?
It’s literally the least you can do, less than literally anything else, and doing the least possible is not good enough.
You don’t get to wash your hands because you voted for Kodos. Has Harris even come out against bombing Iran?
Distracting people from what is happening is NOT what you want.
But its exactly what will happen
Indeed. None of the crazy things that happened in the last few months stopped. Unfortunately.
I am wondering when Americans are finally going to come to the inevitable conclusion that conservatives have to be utterly destroyed by any means necessary in the most extreme prejudicial manner possible. These people are absolute pure f****** evil.
No fucking on Lemmy?
Voice-to-text automod. I hate it but dont know where the off switch is
I’m only in Paris because they promised you’ll be here too.
Where are you freakinsteve le
Je suis un USian
Are you though?
Sacred bleu!! Ma couverture est découverte! Je suis un poisson mort!..
Liberals dont want change. Until the left accepts that libs gotta go in the ground too, nothing will happen.
I agree, but the enablers arent as big of a problem as the perps right now. I feel like they would fall in line pretty quickly upon seeing the consequences of their actions.
First we need to endlessly debate whether or not Kamala Harris would’ve done the same thing. Since we can never know we can all just assume posting shitty memes is more important than voting. We’ll tell each other it’s late stage capitalism so we can feel smart for doing nothing because it’s all going to collapse anyway, nothing we can do! Committed to being uncommitted! Apathy to the end!
The people who vote conservative will probably never come to that conclusion.
We have to let the older generations die off until there isn’t enough support or physically stop them from voting to stop the conservative support.
Maybe starting a third party that genuinely wants to disrupt the status quo would fix some stuff.
Lets get something REAALLY FUGHIN STRAIGHT:
Conservatism DOES NOT DIE OFF.
AAAALLLLLL of the radical fascist right wing Nazi pundits and influencers are Millennials and younger, with a few GenXers scattered about.
Everyone SWORE that conservatism would die off with the Boomers, but that was 15 years ago. Its not gonna happen.
Every new generation votes more progressive leaning than the last.
So once the boomers are all gone, the Republican Party loses a shit load of control.
Regressives have tried to appeal to the incels their ideology creates, but it isn’t enough to outpace the above trends.
A law was passed 30 years ago to ensure that the politically motivated only hear one ideology. The platforms have changed since then but the same people are in control of the messaging and censorship.
3rd party…yes! Possible, not really. The two parties have a spot on the ballot, built in, automatically given. All others have to jump through each state’s requirements to get on the state ballot. The most effective at this lately is the libertarian party. In the election before last, Jo Jorgenson was on the ballot in all 50, GO JO! Sadly, her media coverage was paltry at best. Most Americans didn’t even know she was a realistic option. Finally, most Americans think that a vote for a 3rd party increases the chance of their less desirable major party winning. What they fail to realize is that, red or blue, the boot on your neck is the same boot, different shine.
This same conversation happened in 2016.
It will keep happening until the Duopoly is no longer in control.
How very American to worry about the nightmare you’re enduring.
Nope, just worried there wont be enough memes to keep the people complacent.
FUCK
America did not. The U.S./Donald Trump did.
Ok
Some people see it as pedantic but I’m always bothered when people say “America” when they actually mean the U.S. government. America is a nation, which IMO includes most Canadian citizens and a lot of Mexico (marked by a shared culture). So many bad people use mixing terms between nations and states to try and manifest consent or some shit.
I think you mean America is not a nation, also besides north-america there is also south-america. You can argue as much as you want about about them being separate continents or not, they definitely share a name. I also talk about Americans when I mean people from US but if someone corrects me the only argument i have is that other people also do that.
Yes, France, the country, and France, the nation also share the same name.
There’s also the British Isles, Britain, and Great Britain.
Additionally, you might want to consider South Africa, South Africa, South Africa, and Africa. (Still all different things)
America in this case, I mean the nation which predominantly exists in North America and in the United States.
Yes, France, the country, and France, the nation also share the same name.
Whenever I see people talking like this I get white nationalist vibes.
France the nation includes more or less everyone who grew up there, so. IDK if or why you seem to think I’m racist.
I can be reasonable I’ll change it.
Check out my post history fam, I got you.
Brah.
<3
that’s pretty wholesome
Funnily enough I do moderate [email protected]
I’ll give it a sub
Welcome to our wholesome corner! Enjoy
distract americans from the nightmare they are enduring
I assure you the nightmare is being experienced more acutely and directly by the people being actively bombed.
was about to say lmfao
good old american exceptionalism. couldnt believe i was reading that right.
It’s “lemmyshitpost” not “lemmybetakenseriously.”
Yeah, but do they have memes to distract them?
Yes but this is .world, so only Americans and the protocols of the elders of Zion larp group count as people.
Yeah, how do I get off of this shitlib “instance”?
Make an account elsewhere.
Make your posts elsewhere.
De-prioritize ‘people’ with .world suffixes.
me last night reading the news as i’m trying to go to sleep
Seriously, Americans need to stop acting so helpless. GOP. Trump. NAZIs. They’re not us.
and i’m certain you have a detailed plan that involves you staying put behind your keyboard.
Here’s the thing, Brohard: every time someone says we should do something they’re ALWAYS met with those kinds of shit comments from cattle car fodder such as yourself. “You first!!” is not the fucking flex you think it is, and only shows that YOU are the coward armchair warrior.
I dunno dude. Seems you wouldn’t be getting this upset if my original comment weren’t right on the mark. Also, you too ≠ you first.
Your comment isnt right on the mark; its frustrating because it’s nihilist MAGA-style groupthink from an entire class of people who bitch about The Way Things Are then reject all who want to change it. It’s like trying to get a sandlot baseball game started but every kid in the neighborhood just whines that baseball is stupid and pointless but bitches that there’s nothing to do.
Such animosity towards someone saying we strictly shouldn’t do just that. Probably just telling on yourself.
Correct!
if you need a translation for how everyone reads this conversation:
“all these people (not me) need to go do something about it!”
“which includes you”
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stop projecting"uhhhhhh sure dude
Oh, so its just me. Im the lone soldier. You’re right, your way makes the most sense.
Troops assemble! Hear my detailed plan! Meet you all in the town square at sun down. Leave it to me, anon!
No, the Americans need to be consistently reminded of what their government is doing so that there’s at least the slightest chance they’ll put a stop to it. They don’t get to ignore the problem, it’s their job to fix it. They are not babies to be coddled.
I have no clue what to do. I’m American. I’m trans. I voted for Harris. I live in a blue state. I’ve gone to protests. I’ve talked to state senators about legislation. I’ve canvassed. I’ve talked to Trump supporters and tried to get them to change their minds.
it all feels totally useless. nothing I’ve done has had any effect. my own mom voted for Trump three times. it’s like being chained to an anvil and thrown overboard. I’m swimming but I’m still drowning.
Continue doing exactly that and convince others to do the same. It’s a slow process but the only way to fix things.
Thank you for your efforts, I hope things improve for you ❤️
You do know what to do and you are doing it! It’s not going to magically solve everything but you are doing more than most people.
As another trans person, I say the best thing to do now may be to avoid the typical liberal “protest and vote” advice. Protesting simply isn’t as effective as it used to be, and voting should not be the foundation of your political activities. Voting is useful, but especially in a firmly blue or state, it’s mostly a symbolic gesture.
There are trans people in your local area who are being hurt by this administration. Forget protesting. Focus on helping the actual material needs of the community. Every blue state currently has trans refugees coming into them. Often these are young adults showing up with few resources, often ending up homeless. There’s likely a population of homeless trans kids in your own community. These are the people you should be focusing on helping right now. Join a local trans support group to help out your brothers, sisters, and siblings. If an organization doesn’t exist, start one. Things to focus on:
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Housing and access to housing
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Job assistance.
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Food and other essentials (one group in my area runs a trans specific food bank, as many trans folks have had bad experiences with church-run food pantries.
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Medical assistance. Provide recommendations to local providers. Educate people on safe DIY use. If there are local HRT homebrewers in your area, help organize distribution and mutual aid.
*Traditional gender support groups for newly transitioning folks.
- General mutual aid and emergency assistance.
Honestly, for trans people, it’s completely valid to just laser focus on the material needs of our own community right now. We’re being targeted by an organized campaign of state persecution. There’s hundreds of thousands of us that are internally displaced refugees within the borders of the US. There’s a lot of people hurting, and a lot of people in need. Protest if you want, but personally, I’ve found focusing on direct material needs and mutual aid to be a much more productive and rewarding path. The Trump regime is trying to destroy us. Simply helping your brothers, sisters, and siblings is an act of political resistance and defiance.
Your goal is not to bring down the Trump regime. That is not your responsibility. For those most targeted, simply surviving these years is your primary act of resistance. Take care of yourself, and take care of your brothers, sisters, and siblings. That is how I as a trans person have found meaning in this time. I voted, but that was only symbolic. And I’m not currently participating in protests. I’m focusing on actually directly helping people instead. Survival is resistance.
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We are. There are protests throughout the country every day that the media is either ignoring, or painting as “riots.”
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Sounds like some young people who haven’t been through this before. This is not going to lead to a war. The USA has been bombing other countries continuously for decades.
Might be the toughest opponent we’ve bombed since Iraq, which technically wasn’t a declared war either.
You’re absolutely right, this won’t likely get bad for Americans. Being so far away with a huge military insulates us from the consequences of our actions abroad.
Being so far away with a huge military insulates us from the consequences of our actions abroad.
Yeah, certainly. Only an utter imbecile would attempt symmetrical warfare with the U.S.
Asymmetric is the only way to go, and non-attributability would be the ideal.
Almost like we are the baddies
Bestween this and Yemen, Palestine, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Guatemala, Chile, Cuba, Indonesia, Timor, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Korea you’d almost start to think that. I wonder how many countries the real baddies have attacked. Must be way more.
There are different levels of bombing. This wasn’t the US assassinating a single general. This was a strike on strategic assets comparable to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. We just did a Pearl Harbor against Iran.
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I mean, I dont see how it isnt a war already, this kind of thing is an act of war after all, and the other side doesnt have to be capable of equal retaliation for the term to apply.
It doesn’t really matter what you call it. W. and Obama normalized not declaring war on the countries you bomb. Unless the US plans to invade, it won’t be a war in the traditional sense of the word.
The US hasn’t declared war since 1942. It goes back way further than W or Obama.
what was declared during korea or vietnam?
Korea was technically a UN peacekeeping effort. It was just led and mostly done by the US. Vietnam was just the US giving South Vietnam a “little” help. It was called a troop deployment.
A conflict.
Oh, so a war. Got it.
No, what it is is a war. What it is declared is whatever works best for the politicians. It’s semantics, but there were no declarations by any officials.
Korea was a UN “police action” and Vietnam was a “conflict.”
Crucially, Congress did not formally declare war in either case, nor did they for the Gulf war, Afghanistan, Iraq, Grenada, etc.
yeah a lot of over reacting going on around here
…this is… war?.. you want troops on the ground? Careful what you wish for.
you want troops on the ground?
Genuinely don’t know what reality you’re living in if you are typing this question after reading my comment.
I believe their meaning was, ‘Do you have to see boots on the ground before you call it a war?’, not accusing you personally of wanting war.
Thank you for clarifying.
My only point with my original comment is that people are freaking out as though this is about to be Iraq War take 3. I see no evidence of that. It would require an invasion.
I mean how many dozens of times have we done something similar to this without anything becoming of it? Didn’t Trump literally assassinate an Iranian general during his last term?
Oh. So this is just Tuesday. I guess you should call Iran and tell them. They will be so relieved.
Please send us Americans your best “you don’t have healthcare but too many school shootings” memes
