Easily solved. Just run mkfs_ext4 on the windows partition, and mount it as an additional filesystem.
What the heck is the origin of this meme template? And am I the only one who thought this was Roger Stone?
It’s a spinnoff of the dancing prince Charles meme.
I’ve been dualbooting for over a year now. Made sure each system has its own separate drive. I’ve noticed that every time I had to reinstall Linux, my windows boot entry is gone and then I can’t access it no matter what I tried. Turned out installing Linux first then windows was my mistake. When installing windows while there is a Linux install, windows will see the EFI partition already there and just decides to share it, and doesn’t create its own.
I found that out by accident while I was in windows’ storage management. There was no efi partition. Took a whole day to find out how to create one on the same drive where windows is installed and removing the one it created on the Linux partition. It was so painful.
Bottomline, install windows first if you want to dualboot. After that, even if windows takes over the boot after an update, all it does is resets the boot sequence and makes it default to it. You’d just need to access the bios and reset the sequence to prioritize Linux. That’s it
oh good to hear. I heard about windows doing jank stuff on update recently and was really worried I’d have to fight with it soon.
sometimes you do, sometimes you don’t. Different updates will break different things for different machines. Some people are blessed by Bill Gates himself, and never have to re-fix their shit. Others are cursed and have to fix random shit unrelated to the update every fucking update.
I can’t prove it, but I think microsoft does this on purpose so that some people will enthusiastically share their positive experiences with windows while everyone else gets shat on.
As long as you do what I mentioned in my comment, you’ll mostly be fine. Worst thing that could happen is a windows feature update resetting the boot sequence to itself only. It’s been a breeze.
When installing windows while there is a Linux install, windows will see the EFI partition already there and just decides to share it, and doesn’t create its own.
That’s what it’s supposed to do, it’s a plain FAT32 partition, the bootloaders are just files you put in there.
Part of the issue is that while a well-made motherboard will look for all bootloaders on the partition and present them as options in the firmware UI, bad ones will only look for a specific file (
\EFI\BOOT\BOOTX64.EFI) and use that. For an OS to have a chance of booting on those boards it has to overwrite that file, blowing away whatever other bootloader was there before.It’s annoying, since Windows is mostly well behaved here (It puts the main copy of the bootloader at
\EFI\Microsoft\Boot\bootmgfw.efiand Linux bootloaders can see that and offer it, the reverse isn’t true) and can co-exist with Linux well (Well…), but manufacturers cutting corners causes more problems for everybody.The
\EFI\BOOT\BOOTX64.EFIis the only file the UEFI standard says it is required automatically lookup from an EFI system partition. There can many EFI partitions but the UEFI is only required to find a single file per such a partition.efibootmgr -ucan show all bios auto created boot entries (don’t touch those, the bios can/will reset them at whim) and the manually created entries that don’t launch a BOOTX64.EFI named file.Wow, damn. I didn’t know the motherboard can have a hand in this. Stupid gigabyte then. I hope this time, windows stays in its lane if I ever had to reinstall Linux. Thank you for the explanation, btw. Much appreciated
I’d double check, if you haven’t picked an option specifically it might just default to the fallback (i.e. BOOTX64) It’ll be under the boot device order section.
(Not my picture, stole it from Reddit)Here it’s listing all the possible boot options this mobo can find, but there’s a generic “UEFI OS” option which I’d bet is the fallback. And once a choice is made it’s kept unless something resets it, so if it just happened to be set to the fallback once it’ll stick with that until a change is forced.
There WAS something weird that had a UEFI word in it, but choosing it shows nothing. I’d go over all the menu choices I see one by one and none of them takes me to windows. It was very annoying, all good now since I separated them. Next time this happens I’ll just ask on the Linux community. Hopefully you’ll pop up there and help. 😅
Ahhh, so that’s why I’ve never had any issues with my linux first windows 10 second setup.
I have genuinely never had this issue while dual booting and I’m very confused as to why
Maybe I’m fucking cursed. I did absolutely nothing out of the ordinary. Installed Linux on a drive. Installed windows on another. Set the boot sequence in the BIOS to Linux. Installed osprober and ran it. The only different thing I have is the windows iso I use is stripped down using Chris Titus’ windows debloat script, and that one shouldn’t mess with anything as far as I know. It only debloats windows.
Tbh I think I’m just lucky because this seems like a really common issue
Don’t jynx it. Lmao
Always keep a backup of your boot partition, when dual booting with windows. I wouldn’t encourage a windows boot though
I have dual boot for long time already. Win 11 + Ubuntu. Although there was no any critical issues so far, except some mess up with internet connection on my ubuntu few times.
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Fucking goddamn I’d love to have a replacement to fusion 360 so I never had to touch windows again. FreeCAD is just awful, I keep coming back to it and keeping finding new issues with it. OpenSCAD is cool and useful for simple stuff, but it is not performant in the slightest and the lack of ability to fillet or chamfer edges is insane. Blender is great for 3d modeling but doesn’t work well for engineering modeling.
Hell yeah. FreeCAD is awful. I use NX for work, and will do my personal stuff on there as well. It’s all just for me, I dont sell anything. But I would still love to use my own PC for it. FreeCAD is absolutely unusable.
If you dont want to run a vm you could still try installing what you need with Wine or Lutris, etc. One day we will have great software for all niches but youre right we aint there yet lol
Fusion doesn’t work well with these and has only gotten worse over time.
There are some install scripts on github, but the end result is buggy to the point of being unusable.Really unfortunate because there is no free/affordable* alternative to Fusion without large caveats.
I wasn’t able to get those scripts working at all
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??? I run fedora
Presumptuous much? Why do you have to be so hostile
Onshape seems to be a good CAD program that runs in the browser
Worth a try. Highly capable. It’s my default.
Ooooo, somehow haven’t heard of it! Looks really good, thanks!
These are the moments you live for.
“Hello, my name is [redacted] and I’m a recovering dualboot user. It’s been…wow, yeah, I’m 27 days sober using only Linux on my machine…You know, it’s like they tell you, you think you’ll never stop. You think “How could I stop drinking this Win11 slop? My whole life has been like this!” Naw, man. When they tell you that you don’t miss the taste, that it will come to disgust you, looking back. They’re right. They were all right all alo-” insert meloncolic sobbing for 92 minutes
“Excuse me…sir? This is a Wendy’s.”
It’s funny because it’s true.
The best way to quit Windows is cold-turkey.
Any advice for a Steam Deck user that dual boots windows to access games I’ve paid for but otherwise can’t play anymore on Steam Deck?
Surprised no one answered yet… I don’t have a steam deck, so I don’t know much about it. Are those games from the windows store? If not, you could try to get them working on linux with Lutris (or something similar). Generally I wouldn’t encourage buying DRM-free versions of games if possible (I know sadly that’s not an option for every game)
Or never let Windows touch anything. There are alternatives. Treat Windows like the virus it is.
Setting a BIOS password stops Windows from fucking with most things in your boot partition, I’d open-mouth kiss whomever told me that tip
I told you. Now kiss me ( ˘ ³˘)
No. It was me.
NO, I’m Sparta-Kiss!
Guess we’ve got a polycule now
It’s a monogamous couple a molecule?
you mean that password function actually had a use this whole time?!?
I wish I knew that 20 years ago.
This info would have been so fucking useful a decade or two ago
I’d use a VM with GPU passthru
This is what I’ve been trying to accomplish. While I’ve been able to get it to work; I generally have relatively poor performance for gaming.
By chance do you game and have had enough success with the GPU pass through to play? What’s your setup like?
My comment was more like a suggestion, I don’t actually use Windows at all anymore since I finished school and thankfully I don’t need it
I used to GPU passthrough a 7900 xtx. Just pass through the whole PCIE device and don’t try to partition it or any fancy stuff. All that likely won’t work unless you have specific workstation cards, anyways. Just pass it through so the VM gets all of the gpu. Then, the only performance issues should come only from any tomfoolery with CPU settings or other performance settings like not having all the hardware virtualization hooks turned on.
Though fair warning: I had lots of odd issues, like the GPU not soft-resetting after crashes, and not being able to soft-reboot the VM. Because the commercial drives often do not have all of the power states and driver hooks necessary to totally reboot/etc while staying powered and attached to a bus.
I actually had a Linux update do this once when it updated grub. Took a bit to fix but nothing was lost.
Literally the only boot drive issue I’ve ever had dual booting was when I somehow accidentally deleted the GRUB partition (I’m still not entirely sure how)
Grub lives on the drive with Linux, windows on an extra one, select which I wanna use on boot. Windows just updated like yesterday, rebooted right to GRUB no issue
User reports having lost his GRUB partition mysteriously
User says not to worry about Windows randomly removing GRUB partitions through Windows Updates
It was me, I know that, and I know I did it while in Linux, too, I just did like 50 things at once and about 20 of them could be responsible
Variations of this meme get posted every week, but I’ve never experienced it, despite having had tens of grub updates murder-suicide the Windows boot loader and grub itself across five or six different machines. Thankfully, it’s pretty easy to rebuild a Windows boot partition, but the frequency that I’m hit with this problem is one of the major reasons I avoid using Linux. Eventually I’m going to have to switch, but that’s driven mainly by Windows getting worse rather than any of the pain points I’ve had when trying to switch full time in the past having been fixed.
windows removed my grub bootloader at least 3 times even once after i started using seperate drives.
ive never had the opposite happen.
I think I literally just had it happen again, not even because of windows update but by having windows “delete” a partition that I wanted to reclaim on my Linux install (in the process of moving Linux and windows to completely separate drives)
Why do you not avoid using Windows instead?
Not him but I use Windows for C++ and C# development, and I use Linux for coding work stuff (mostly javascript). Have yet to find a good, free IDE for C++ development on Linux that compares to Visual Studio
CLion’s worth checking out. It’s free for non-commercial projects.
CLion is alright, but I don’t like jetbrains UX design. I also prefer MSBuild and solution files over makefiles or cmake. Would be nice for an IDE that was all inclusive like Visual Studio is
Fair enough! I can recommend Emacs. Build your own IDE with style. Some use Nvim. CLion as mentioned is also probably as good as any other Jetbrains software.
Lol emacs is the opposite direction of where I want to go. I used to be a vim user and had all my plugins and configs in there until I realized that I was spending more time configuring vim than I was actually coding, so I stopped trying so hard and just moved to Visual Studio and VSCode
Try Doom or Spacemacs. Anything I change is because I am lazy and need something to be even more lazy. The work very well out of the box.
Why Windows?! WHY??
Because in their eyes nothing else compares. nothing else in necessary. so why keep it? And we all know windows needs that 35Gb diskspace really desperate (for reasons)
Windows only in a VM.
That is the only way.
I know this one weird trick to avoid this…
I don’t even boot windows anymore and it still takes over the first boot spot randomly.
I’ll do you one better. Do you know what a windows update killed on my multi boot system? It killed the windows bootloader. I’m working on a permanent solution to fixing this bootloader fudgery.
Well, one permanent solution is to permanently ditch Windows
Would mounting the drive and running windows in a virtual machine work?
