There’s one source of fascism and oppression in Turkey and it’s sure as hell not LGBT people, dawg.
Yeah, well he’s an idiot and always has been
Idiots in power seem to frequently have a complete inabilty to understand societal changes…
They understand very well, they just want people to believe others are to blame.
I don’t think they actually care. It’s all for show to get votes. Whether the country has children or not doesn’t actually matter to them. They won’t have to live with the decisions. They’ll have the money to pay for elderly care.
There’s a population crisis because people stopped fucking and making babies cold türkyie.
Try giving people the means to live a dignified life, with proper housing and food security, and wait a while.
The population won’t boom but people will be more at ease to consider having children.
Most even want to have children. Unfortunately, they can’t because they have a consciousness.
We have that in the Nordics, yet our birth rates are also falling.
I’m thinking the chants about the planet dying and the children not having a future might have some relevance.
That’s doomerism.
it’s pragmatism.
Opinions vary.
My parents faced the same doubts, as their parents did and so on. As I did.
Our problems are not new. We are not special or unique.
I doubt your parents were concerned about climate change, microplastics, and the fact that a kid born today will barely be in their 20’s when ocean life collapses. you can think none of this is special if you really want to, if nothing else these conditions are just exponentially worse.
Thank you for that excellent example. No, ocean life won’t collapse in 20 years. This is not a “climate denier” statement - it’s the current actual state of science.
There are however a lot of “doomist” headlines spread by activists and activist media that exaggerate - a lot - and that’s indeed part of why I think young people hesitate in starting families.
(I’m of the generation that grew up thinking we’d all die due to nuclear armaggedon)
Global conflicts, famines, droughts, authoritarian governments, desertification, high unemployment, low salaries…
Our problems are not unique. Every single generation had their own version of the same life problems.
I respect your position but I do not subscribe it.
Not surprising - traditionalist liberals attacking LGBT people because they dare defy the holy family structure is very common.
I doubt this has anything to do with religion though, apart from it being used as a convenient tool to add credence to the rhetoric. More people being born and raised via unpaid labor of their parents (usually mothers) means more future workers for the ruling class to extract labor value from, which usually means more economic growth and more bodies for when war breaks out.
I’m sure blaming unrelated people and things will magic more babies into existence /s
I guess theoretically LGBT fascism could exist in some alternative timeline. I’m trying to imagine it. The uniforms would be wild.
He’s talking about people no longer being muslim. Because muslim men can marry 4 wives, and produce children 4x as fast as one-man one-woman marriages.
It’s a technique from thousands of years ago, that still is used by religions. Outbreed your enemy. Turn the women into slaves, and in 20 years, you have 4x the population as your enemy - so now, it’s time for war. And war is used to capture more women, etc…
All religions are conservative, and when conservatives try to get more power, they appeal to their conservative religions with conservative religious bullshit.
No other religion is better than the one I’m talking about. They all pull this 'global domination through assholeishness" bullshit.
Politicians and their voters in low birth-rate countries will blame everything and anything but the real issues. If you have to stay at work all day to pay for a small shitty appartment, have little to no disposable income on top of that, and are staring down the barrel of a new world war + the end of livable climates for humans, having multiple babies is not very high on the list of future plans.
But sure. Blame the queers that make up what… 5% of the population?
Provide social services so having a child isn’t cost prohibitive and more people will have children.
Yuck, this one’s tainted with rational thought and good will!
China, Russia, South Korea, Japan, USA, now Turkey… 2024 and 2025 is the year of every un-democratic government whining about low birth-rates.
Okay quick edit: I was exaggerating in calling S.Korea and Japan undemocratic. South Korea’s government is blatantly corrupt (and Samsung has ownership of just about every part of life) and Japan has miserable working conditions because its government favors corporations over people. The USA is “democratic” too in that there are elections and you have “rights” on paper, but the politicians are bought out and those “rights” are only claims for financial compensation after you get trampled.
The low birth rate problem is real, watch Peter Zeihan, it is his favorite topic, he has been talking about it for years that there’s no economical model for this and we don’t know how a nation will function when everyone is retired and no one is on workforce.
He actually believes that it’s anyone figures out or it will be South Korea.
Also South Korea and Japan aren’t undemocratic, but yeah this problem is very big there.
US has a low birth rate as well, but that was compensated by immigrants (which trump goes after)
Yeah the low birth rates are a real problem, which wouldn’t exist if countries improved the lifestyle of their people. The population sees these tech advancements and knows they are being denied their share of the benefits. In a late-stage capitalist economy, people need a government to uphold their standard of living, and global governments have been doing the opposite – allowing blatantly anti-competitive and fraudulent activities, just to keep companies interested so the GDP goes up.
People lost hope in a better future, and really, only those who believe in toward “earning” a spot in the afterlife of a traditional religion want to have children.
About South Korea and Japan - I clarified my labeling in my original comment.
How are S. Korea and Japan undemocratic
They’re Capitalist, not democratic.
I clarified my labeling in my original comment.
