As gaming on Linux becomes more popular, Denuvo’s “activations” limit will become a bigger problem.
  • yesman@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2141·
    10 days ago

    Just another reason to wait long after release to buy a game. Denuvo charges games companies to administer the DRM infrastructure and most developers will strip it out of their games after it’s been out for a while.

    Buying games on launch is one of the most anti-customer experiences you can get. And that’s saying something in our wonderful capitalist economy

    • Sabin10@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      10 days ago

      They also typically go on really good sales right around the time denuvo gets removed.

    • piefood@feddit.onlineEnglish
      31·
      10 days ago

      Patient gamers represent! The older I get, the less I care about FOMO. The less I care about FOMO, the happier I am. It’s a beautiful cycle.

      /me goes back to playing snes games on an emulator

    • TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.caEnglish
      157·
      10 days ago

      Buying a game post-launch:

      • Better prices; often on sale.
      • Fixed and patched up.
      • Extra content often included.
      • DRM often removed.

      No brainer, imo.

      • Agrivar@lemmy.worldEnglish
        61·
        10 days ago

        You forgot a bonus point:

        • Hardware requirements are now easier/cheaper to meet/exceed.
      • Oniononon@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        19·
        10 days ago

        Preordering games: I need this digital product before jt goes up in price or runs out of copies!

      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        3·
        9 days ago

        Remember when games used to, at least sometimes… do actual internal beta testing to iron out performance bugs and such?

        Now we are all alpha and beta testers, all the time.

        Sometimes even AAA and ‘AAAA’ games release, and then unrelease before the alpha or beta is even done!

        Yeah, patient gaming for me, haven’t preordered or gone into an early access game in almost a decade now…

    • thermal_shock@lemmy.worldEnglish
      499·
      10 days ago

      Pirating single player games is unfortunately the way to go, considering you BUY a single player game and STILL get fucked on it.

      • CybranM@feddit.nuEnglish
        201·
        10 days ago

        Disagree, like yesman (lol) said it’s best to wait. I’m not that worried about playing games day one but I still want to sort the Devs, after they’ve patched out the bugs and removed DRM preferably

        • ThrowawayOnLemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
          472·
          10 days ago

          If only buying games actually supported devs anymore. Devs seem to get fired for any reason nowadays.

          Bad game? Fired. Good game? Also fired. Popular game that people loved? Believe it or not, also fired. Develop a game only for the company to change direction and the game gets cancelled? Absolutely fired.

          You’d think these publishers would value talent as much as their intellectual property but they seem to not care anymore for either.

          • pycorax@lemmy.worldEnglish
            191·
            10 days ago

            Plenty of singleplayer games are from indies, those more or less support the developer.

            • Buddahriffic@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              9 days ago

              And you don’t need to wait for indie games, though you might need to be patient about early access quality. But, as long as the dev(s) stick with it, even that can be satisfying to see the game improve from a janky boilerplate mess to wherever it is really headed.

              • Luffy@lemmy.mlEnglish
                3·
                10 days ago

                Just saying, indie devs just dont have the money and time to use denuvo

            • Sebastrion@leminal.spaceEnglish
              16·
              10 days ago

              I’m sure most pirates don’t sit here and want a crack for a 10-20€ Indie Game. But a 80€ Game (sometimes even with additional microtransaktions like skins etc.) Yeah I see that.

          • CybranM@feddit.nuEnglish
            2·
            9 days ago

            I get where you’re coming from and I agree the job security for Devs and the financing of games is fucked. It’s still disingenuous to claim that pirating the game has the same impact as buying.

        • thermal_shock@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          10 days ago

          I’m not either, I get them on sale later, just pointing out why would they screw over a paying customer with DRM bullshit.

      • shiroininja@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        10 days ago

        Pirating is getting so hard for me that it’s becoming not an option. Comcast has started blocking vpn nodes for me, but only of I am torrenting. And if I turn off the vpn, DMCA notices out the ass. I’m kinda stuck.

        • thermal_shock@lemmy.worldEnglish
          9·
          9 days ago

          What VPN and where are you located?

          Couple things you can do, try changing your router DNS to quad9 or open DNS, make sure you’re not using Comcast default DNS servers.

          Try a new VPN provider, I’ve been using Torguard for almost a decade, zero issues, there are discount codes where you can get it for $29/year.

          I have a dedicated desktop for seeding, I upload about 1TB per day on soulseek/nicotine+ and torrents.

          https://youtu.be/xAo61IaXun8

          • shiroininja@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            9 days ago

            Thank you, you’re a god among men. I use a pihole for DNS, but I will give Torguard a try because I’ve been thinking of getting rid of private internet access since they went all corporate.

            • thermal_shock@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              9 days ago

              Pihole is fine, just make sure it’s not using the Comcast DNS settings. I have a pihole instance also that I use to block ads.

  • missingno@fedia.io
    452·
    10 days ago

    This is why native support still matters. Anything not supported can pull the rug out from under you at any time.

    • ampersandrew@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      9 days ago

      I’m not following your argument. You’re perfectly capable of having the rug pulled out from under you with a native Linux build too.

      • Damage@feddit.itEnglish
        10·
        10 days ago

        Yeah, games through Proton are a bit like containerized apps, you get everything you need to run them in the Proton package.

      • deadcream@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        21·
        7 days ago

        Linux has never been good at running old binaries. It’s always assumed that you are running software compiled for the current version if your distribution, and programs that are not available can be compiled from source (because you obviously use only open source software). For everything else you need to use compatibility layers that provide necessary environment.

  • burgerpocalyse@lemmy.worldEnglish
    442·
    10 days ago

    you aren’t buying doom because it has denuvo. im not buying doom because i am boycotting microsoft products. we are probably a little similar

    • Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      11·
      9 days ago

      Also it’s $80 fucking dollars for the base edition. Everyone complaining about Nintendo game pricing but Doom gets a pass apparently.

  • barnaclebutt@lemmy.worldEnglish
    261·
    10 days ago

    That probably explains all of the crashes reported by windows users too. ID Software what happened? You were supposed to be the chosen one.

  • kameecoding@lemmy.worldEnglish
    521·
    9 days ago

    All this drm nonsense ever does is punishes the paying customers and maybe delays cracked version by a few days, but fucking pencil pushers still put it into everything.

    • tomalley8342@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      8 days ago

      maybe delays cracked version by a few days

      Denuvo has not been cracked since 2023. The only pirated copies of Doom Eternal were using a leaked denuvo-free build until Bethesda removed denuvo entirely 3 years after release, and unfortunately they didn’t leak a denuvo-free build this time, so you are probably going to have to wait a couple of years or so.

  • Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    21·
    9 days ago

    Not that I would have bought it - not my type of game - but this game gets on my blacklist.

    • Hubi@feddit.orgOPEnglish
      19·
      9 days ago

      Well the game runs well if you just launch it with only one Proton configuration and keep playing on that. The issue is changing the Proton version is recognized as multiple installations by the DRM and it locks you out after a couple of tries.

  • MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    363·
    10 days ago

    Denuvo identifies a user opening a game with multiple versions of Proton as multiple machines. It thinks that’s piracy and locks the user out of the game

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      10·
      9 days ago

      Seems like it should be an easy patch, right? Assuming they have any desire to (I think it “runs” on Steam Deck, so that might be enough incentive)

      • tomalley8342@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        8 days ago

        Denuvo’s whole schtick is that your unique system environment gets used as a part of the “unlocking key” of sorts, so it would definitely not be simple. For example windows users face the same issue with denuvo whenever windows updates, although obviously that doesn’t happen often enough to be an actual issue.

      • Psychadelligoat@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        3·
        9 days ago

        Actually, I think that might be harder than you’d imagine, at least as things work right now

        Valve would probably need something in the Proton API to help ensure programs don’t think each version is a different PC as that is kinda the point of how Wine/Proton work (by creating a fake virtual PC and running things through that), or change how prefixes are handled so that all proton versions default to the same prefix (which would have other issues im sure)

        None of which would be a problem if they just exported the game from their software into a native Linux format, of course. Doom runs on Unreal, yeah? Should take 0 effort to make a native Linux version of the game, but they won’t

  • molave@reddthat.comEnglish
    28·
    9 days ago

    Only way for this to change is to vote with your (virtual) feet and wallet and “cancel” games that have DRM, in my opinion.

    • Newsteinleo@infosec.pubEnglish
      85·
      9 days ago

      Good luck, there is DRM on almost every peace of software you buy. Most of it you never notice but it is there. I am guessing Id Bethesda Microsoft went a little too hard on their DRM and didn’t learn from EAs blunder. We will probably have another Spore situation here and its becomes going to become the number one pirated game of 2025. Or maybe not, the last Doom game wasn’t that great and I am assuming this one is trash too.

  • zecg@lemmy.worldEnglish
    37·
    10 days ago

    While it has Denuvo it can get fucked, they’ll remove it in a few years, I’m a very patient gamer with a family group that has 1.5k games in library.

    • CaptPretentious@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      9 days ago

      Same, I’m happy to wait for Denuvo to be removed, for the game patches to come out, and Nvidia to fucking fix their god damn drivers. Plus side, I’ll pay a reasonable price for the game when I buy it.

  • xttweaponttx@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    71·
    8 days ago

    After how id treated my man Mick Gordon, I’m torrenting cracked versions of their games here on out - pulling the patient gamer card.

    Fuck the management at id. Just another corporate machine.

  • andybytes@programming.devEnglish
    202·
    9 days ago

    Didn’t fall for it, even when they whisper sweet little lies in my ear, I just say to myself, I quit gaming. I’m done. If I can’t own it, I ain’t playing it. And now I just joined the class war. Because you know, there is no war but the class war.