Can I get into the list too? The reasons given in the link still don’t convince me, but you sound like you didn’t even care to look at the link.
You know being open-minded and not looking at things from a white-and-black lenses (even when things turn out to be black or white in the end) is part of critical thinking, don’t you?
Can we please stop parroting this “Trump supporter” nonsense?
Trump is an absolute piece of shit with nigh-zero redeeming qualities, but nothing that Andy stated in that tweet is false; The first Trump administration did begin the anti-trust proceedings against the Big Tech firms. The Democratic Party has largely been co-opted by corporate money and neo-liberalism.
It sucks to hear it coming from the Trump camp, because I hate to admit that they’re actually right about something, but we are better than the types of people who would rather stick their fingers in their ears and yell “La la la La…” because someone didn’t live up to some imaginary Internet-hive mind purity test.
Ya, nah this is some bullshit. You’re actively defending Trump and Republicans even if you’re pretending you don’t like Trump or his policies.
Republicans are definitively not the party for “the little guys”. That’s demonstrably false, Republicans are consistently the party working against progress in most fields but especially worker protections, wealth inequality, and competitive regulated business. I agree Dems have big business backing as well, that they have some corrupt ties going against their constituents interests but the fact remains that applies to nearly all republicans. That only applies to some to most of Democrats. There is no Bernie Sanders in the Republicans, there is no AoC in the Republicans, hell there’s barely anyone of color or who isn’t a male - like Republicans are entirely private sector goons. To equate the Republican and Democrat partys is to fundamentally misunderstand the political climate of the US.
Lina Khan was the FTC chair appointed by Biden and she’s been lauded as a fantastic agent for Anti-Trust and consumer protection reasons. Andrew Ferguson was appointed by Trump and although his track record doesn’t seem to be the worst he’s said he wants to ease scrutiny on mergers and acquisitions (so the opposite of Anti-Trust) while “continuing critical oversight over big tech”. To me this is a clear demonstration that Republicans are in bed with big corporations and Democrats were working with what tools they had to break up big businesses. To me, this should be an obvious concept to anyone who says they pay attention to the political happenings of the US.
Big tech paid into Trump’s campaign, famously, and there has been no indication that the billionaires behind Trump’s reelection are doing worse off for themselves. The US is now further away from having laws similar to the EU’s consumer protection laws and it is directly thanks to Republicans being corrupt. Are some Democrats corrupt in the same way? yes. Do I think voting Democrat will fix the country? No. But I’d argue day and night that if Democrats won every race in the country, worker wages would go up, standard of living would go up, crime would go down, wealth inequality would slow down or shrink, and the country would be in a better place because unlike the obstructionist Republicans enough Democrats care about their constituents that positive change would happen.
I am in no way, shape or form defending Trump? The man should be rotting away in a Federal prison not serving a second Presidential term, but that’s really outside the scope of what we are trying to discuss here at this very moment.
As the Republican Party began to hyper-radicalise during the Obama era, there was a marked shift in corporate spend from the GOP towards the Dems. That’s not to say that no such money is going towards the GOP at all, but they have more-and-more begun to rely on dark money via SuperPACs. That means that their stances will continue to skew towards the extreme, further alienating corporate donors towards the Dems.
So clearly, while they aren’t doing it for noble reasons (as it’s likely a billionaire donor’s pet cause - my bet would be either Thiel or Murdoch), they are proceeding with anti-trust cases against Big Tech. It is almost like the horseshoe theory of politics, in this case.
It beggars the question, if you truly believe that republicans are irredeemable - and absolutely nothing they could ever do would be worthy of support - what is going to be the ultimate outcome? Thinking more broadly, we Progressives are generally known for in-fighting over ideological purity - there ends up being “No True Scotsman”.
The reason why the far-right has been able to succeed over the past three decades in particular has been their willingness to make ‘allies of convenience’ with those that they don’t necessarily agree with on every topic.
Wall Street didn’t care about repealing Roe v. Wade, but they were more than happy to go along with is as long as the Religious Right delivered tax cuts. Quid Pro Quo.
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It’s getting very late here in Aus (1AM) and I have work tomorrow; but I want to pick this up again tomorrow as I still need to circle back around.
But you are, you’re defending the line “Republicans are for the working class and Democrats are for Big corporations.” That’s your stance. I’m saying Trump got put in office by not one billionaire but by dozens. He was funded by big corporations and his actions show him supporting them. In his first term he gave a massive tax cut to corporations and the rich and he raised taxes on the working class (disguised as a temporary decrease in taxes while he was in office). You’re literally saying wall street was okay with RvW being repealed, an anti-humanist action done by Republicans, as long as they got tax cuts, an anti-worker action done by Republicans. Republicans did two bad things you can recognize that go against your central argument you’re defending “Republicans are for the working class and Democrats are for Big corporations.”
When the trump administration successfully does something Anti-Trust related and the American people benefit THEN I will say “wow look at that, one good thing they did.” Until then I’m gonna focus on the fact that they’re generally and overwhelmingly NOT doing good things. Including but not limited to pro-corporation anti-humanist anti-worker actions like deregulation, disrupting oversight, allowing massive monopolistic mergers, going against unions (except for police unions it seems) and taxing the working class more while giving slush fund money to their corporate donors. All the while they’re locking up judges and US citizens and immigrants without due process.
I’m not saying you’re a bad person or a bad progressive and I’ll happily join hands with you in making good policy changes but I will call out what I think to be bullshit that hurts the cause because we need to have a united front against the billionaire class and they win by creating wedges and one liners that are plausible and divisive. Like “Republicans are pro-worker and Democrats are for Big business” which is at best reductive and misleading and at worst fucking obviously stupid, wrong, and dangerous.
It’s not just about the one dudes statement! It’s how the whole company handled the backlash, they doubled down and even pulled out of Mastodon and settled on fucking Reddit to post their official updates.
Andy did not state this is false, I emailed proton directly and they basically told me too bad and yeah he said it, it wasn’t until the backlash they started trying to spin things.
sometimes its simply better to keep your thoughts to yourself though, especially in the position of a CEO of privacy-based platforms. andy broke rules one and two of fight club (privacy) and wasn’t very private lol
I was strongly considering their plans by the time he tweeted that, made me do a 180 degrees turn and look other places for private mail services and cloud drive… After that event, he did write on the comments of a Reddit post that he’s not a Trump supporter and was distancing himself from right wing politics.
I made peace with it. Was he writing the truth or just trying to throw some water into the fire, idk. I have currently the unlimited plan and I’m happy, in the end of the day I want to support companies that are European and provide services like Proton and Tuta.
Don’t care, a European Trump supporter is still a Trump supporter
I don’t think it’s quite as simple as that. Normally anyone supporting him at all I stay away from their company. This is well worth a read on their stance (gives the case for and against proton supporting him): https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e
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That link seems to make a strong argument to me. Do you have a counterargument?
There’s room for all of you on the list
Can I get into the list too? The reasons given in the link still don’t convince me, but you sound like you didn’t even care to look at the link.
You know being open-minded and not looking at things from a white-and-black lenses (even when things turn out to be black or white in the end) is part of critical thinking, don’t you?
Can we please stop parroting this “Trump supporter” nonsense?
Trump is an absolute piece of shit with nigh-zero redeeming qualities, but nothing that Andy stated in that tweet is false; The first Trump administration did begin the anti-trust proceedings against the Big Tech firms. The Democratic Party has largely been co-opted by corporate money and neo-liberalism.
It sucks to hear it coming from the Trump camp, because I hate to admit that they’re actually right about something, but we are better than the types of people who would rather stick their fingers in their ears and yell “La la la La…” because someone didn’t live up to some imaginary Internet-hive mind purity test.
Ya, nah this is some bullshit. You’re actively defending Trump and Republicans even if you’re pretending you don’t like Trump or his policies.
Republicans are definitively not the party for “the little guys”. That’s demonstrably false, Republicans are consistently the party working against progress in most fields but especially worker protections, wealth inequality, and competitive regulated business. I agree Dems have big business backing as well, that they have some corrupt ties going against their constituents interests but the fact remains that applies to nearly all republicans. That only applies to some to most of Democrats. There is no Bernie Sanders in the Republicans, there is no AoC in the Republicans, hell there’s barely anyone of color or who isn’t a male - like Republicans are entirely private sector goons. To equate the Republican and Democrat partys is to fundamentally misunderstand the political climate of the US.
Lina Khan was the FTC chair appointed by Biden and she’s been lauded as a fantastic agent for Anti-Trust and consumer protection reasons. Andrew Ferguson was appointed by Trump and although his track record doesn’t seem to be the worst he’s said he wants to ease scrutiny on mergers and acquisitions (so the opposite of Anti-Trust) while “continuing critical oversight over big tech”. To me this is a clear demonstration that Republicans are in bed with big corporations and Democrats were working with what tools they had to break up big businesses. To me, this should be an obvious concept to anyone who says they pay attention to the political happenings of the US.
Big tech paid into Trump’s campaign, famously, and there has been no indication that the billionaires behind Trump’s reelection are doing worse off for themselves. The US is now further away from having laws similar to the EU’s consumer protection laws and it is directly thanks to Republicans being corrupt. Are some Democrats corrupt in the same way? yes. Do I think voting Democrat will fix the country? No. But I’d argue day and night that if Democrats won every race in the country, worker wages would go up, standard of living would go up, crime would go down, wealth inequality would slow down or shrink, and the country would be in a better place because unlike the obstructionist Republicans enough Democrats care about their constituents that positive change would happen.
I am in no way, shape or form defending Trump? The man should be rotting away in a Federal prison not serving a second Presidential term, but that’s really outside the scope of what we are trying to discuss here at this very moment.
As the Republican Party began to hyper-radicalise during the Obama era, there was a marked shift in corporate spend from the GOP towards the Dems. That’s not to say that no such money is going towards the GOP at all, but they have more-and-more begun to rely on dark money via SuperPACs. That means that their stances will continue to skew towards the extreme, further alienating corporate donors towards the Dems.
So clearly, while they aren’t doing it for noble reasons (as it’s likely a billionaire donor’s pet cause - my bet would be either Thiel or Murdoch), they are proceeding with anti-trust cases against Big Tech. It is almost like the horseshoe theory of politics, in this case.
It beggars the question, if you truly believe that republicans are irredeemable - and absolutely nothing they could ever do would be worthy of support - what is going to be the ultimate outcome? Thinking more broadly, we Progressives are generally known for in-fighting over ideological purity - there ends up being “No True Scotsman”.
The reason why the far-right has been able to succeed over the past three decades in particular has been their willingness to make ‘allies of convenience’ with those that they don’t necessarily agree with on every topic.
Wall Street didn’t care about repealing Roe v. Wade, but they were more than happy to go along with is as long as the Religious Right delivered tax cuts. Quid Pro Quo. …
It’s getting very late here in Aus (1AM) and I have work tomorrow; but I want to pick this up again tomorrow as I still need to circle back around.
But you are, you’re defending the line “Republicans are for the working class and Democrats are for Big corporations.” That’s your stance. I’m saying Trump got put in office by not one billionaire but by dozens. He was funded by big corporations and his actions show him supporting them. In his first term he gave a massive tax cut to corporations and the rich and he raised taxes on the working class (disguised as a temporary decrease in taxes while he was in office). You’re literally saying wall street was okay with RvW being repealed, an anti-humanist action done by Republicans, as long as they got tax cuts, an anti-worker action done by Republicans. Republicans did two bad things you can recognize that go against your central argument you’re defending “Republicans are for the working class and Democrats are for Big corporations.”
When the trump administration successfully does something Anti-Trust related and the American people benefit THEN I will say “wow look at that, one good thing they did.” Until then I’m gonna focus on the fact that they’re generally and overwhelmingly NOT doing good things. Including but not limited to pro-corporation anti-humanist anti-worker actions like deregulation, disrupting oversight, allowing massive monopolistic mergers, going against unions (except for police unions it seems) and taxing the working class more while giving slush fund money to their corporate donors. All the while they’re locking up judges and US citizens and immigrants without due process.
I’m not saying you’re a bad person or a bad progressive and I’ll happily join hands with you in making good policy changes but I will call out what I think to be bullshit that hurts the cause because we need to have a united front against the billionaire class and they win by creating wedges and one liners that are plausible and divisive. Like “Republicans are pro-worker and Democrats are for Big business” which is at best reductive and misleading and at worst fucking obviously stupid, wrong, and dangerous.
Just one of the sources detailing some of the billionaires that funded his return: https://www.forbes.com/sites/leokamin/2024/08/14/here-are-trumps-top-billionaire-donors/
It’s not just about the one dudes statement! It’s how the whole company handled the backlash, they doubled down and even pulled out of Mastodon and settled on fucking Reddit to post their official updates.
Bunch of fucking clowns.
Yeah, honestly, I was about to start shifting a lot of my stuff to proton, and that episode made me do a complete about-face.
Andy did not state this is false, I emailed proton directly and they basically told me too bad and yeah he said it, it wasn’t until the backlash they started trying to spin things.
sometimes its simply better to keep your thoughts to yourself though, especially in the position of a CEO of privacy-based platforms. andy broke rules one and two of fight club (privacy) and wasn’t very private lol
c’mon, that’s one guy from the board
and their products are solid
I was strongly considering their plans by the time he tweeted that, made me do a 180 degrees turn and look other places for private mail services and cloud drive… After that event, he did write on the comments of a Reddit post that he’s not a Trump supporter and was distancing himself from right wing politics.
I made peace with it. Was he writing the truth or just trying to throw some water into the fire, idk. I have currently the unlimited plan and I’m happy, in the end of the day I want to support companies that are European and provide services like Proton and Tuta.