I thought it’d be a pain but installing programs through the terminal is actually so nice, I never would have expected it

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    Also, updates.

    “hey computer! Update!”

    “Sure thing, here is a list of 57 packages I will update, y/n?”

    “y”

    “ok… done!”

    👌

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      But how do Linux users handle the crippling loneliness of their operating system not pestering them with ads on every update? How else can you know if your computer loves you? Where is the warmth of the corporate embrace?

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      Guess what I did last night? I spent 4 hours working on getting PSD, XCF and KRA thumbnailers working in Mint. It took custom scripts to be written and each one required different commands because KRA files are just a zip file so you have to extract that and grab one of 3 possible preview files that might exist inside that zip and make that the thumbnail, while in gimp files you cant just use convert command, even convert[0] will only turn the first layer into a thumbnail and thats completely useless. And to top off all that, I finally got thumbnails working in gnome/nautilus but Only the XCF thumbs will generate in cinnamon/nemo (I still have no clue why that is) but I cannot just switch to gnome because there is technically no gnome variant of Mint so gnome doesnt work 100%… etc etc etc

      Linux is still not there, this stuff should be simple and automatic. If a 20 year professional took 4 hours to get this far, the average user will give up immediately. Yes Mint is still my daily driver, but seriously thumbnails should not be this much work.

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      It’s not a big deal via terminal but for me and probably the average user, a decent update UI is superior. I want my computer to remind me like once a week and then update with one or two clicks. Updating via terminal does not appeal to me.

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        And this happens too. I get a little tray icon saying ‘do updates’ and I tap that and all my applications whether fwupd (firmware), flatpak or rpm updates are there and I click ‘go’, including the most recent nvidia drivers. In my case, KDE ‘discover’ does this for me. I’m so lazy as to not want to bother running the three terminal commands (dnf, fwupdmgr, and flatpak).

        Meanwhile, under windows, I do that, but then it doesn’t do my firmware, so my hardware vendor has their own updater (which also suggests driver updates that Microsoft does not suggest), but if I use those then I still miss out on decent nvidia drivers, I need to go to nvidia to get those updates. And pretty much every application is then independently telling me time to update something or another in a never ending parade of ‘update me now’ icons in the tray.

        Meanwhile it can be greatly mitigated in Windows by opening up a terminal and doing a winget update. Except it keeps offering up this one Office update that hangs with a blank terminal in my screen, and it still misses half the stuff…

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      Two clicks with the update thingy on Mint, if I could never have to use the terminal I might be tempted to uninstall Windows completely.

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      “Hey computer, I don’t like when you ask for that confirmation, just do it”

      “Oh, -y, I got you”

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      Getting me silenced by the mob of mods is just what a dirty Linux user would do.

      Removed Comment: Windows has winget upgrade --all. Fucking cultists.

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    Honestly, it’s a pain in the ass. The shortcuts are different from the browser, so you forget and hit Ctrl+V. Then you remember and hit Ctrl+Shift+V and get some scribbles around what you were typing

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    I’m on the other side of the coin, I really don’t know how I’m supposed to learn to use the terminal. I can do sudo apt get to get some programs and updates, as well as mv and cp, but that’s where it stops for me.

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      You need a purpose. For instance I needed to copy and edit config files for a bunch terminals my company has deployed last week. Instead of manually copying the template directory 80 times and editing the 2 lines that needed to be changed in the parameter file for each one I used powershell to extract the name and id for each terminal from the log files and create copy of the template directory for each one, then replace the terminal name and id in the parameter file of the new directory with the ones extracted from the logs. This would have taken me all day to do manually and it only took about 45 minutes to write up the script and run it. I did have some prior experience with doing this kind of thing but hadn’t tied them all together lile that before so i learned some stuff.

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      I literally only use it when a how-to guide explains exactly what to do and why. Then I forget what I did and look up how to do it again six months later. I’m fine with this arrangement, though I will prefer to have to use it less.

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      Maybe you need to have some sort of objective before you get started, otherwise yeah, you don’t have much to do in the console :) In my case I only use linux for work, so I’m ssh-ing away and running commands to compile this, apply that, show me the logs for this, grep that, etc.

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    Every now and then I have to analyze some data at work, and gladly I have full access to my work station, so I have WSL2 with Linux, and I wouldn’t know what to do without all that Linux CLI goodness. A mixture of Pipes, xsltproc, jq, Python to get the numbers out of millioons of log lines or xml or json files. If I was stuck on Windows the tasks would be tedious.

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    if I could copy pasta with ctrl-c and ctrl-v in terminal, then 90% of my hatred of the command line would evaporate instantly.

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      What Ctrl+Shift+(do a little spin)+Ins isn’t intuitive enough for you??

      Jokes aside, that’s understandable. I guess I’ve just become used to it, but there must be some way to override the default binding if you don’t like it… Personally I like the kitty terminal’s approach which uses mod+c/v for copy and paste in the terminal like you’d expect, while still leaving ctrl+c/v for sigint and verbatim respectively.

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        I don’t want to pasta with middle click. I want to scroll with middle click. I want to pasta with ctrl-v.

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          I don’t want to pasta with middle click. I want to scroll with middle click. I want to pasta with ctrl-v.

          🍝🤌🤌🤌

          Lol jokes aside, like they said above just add a shift and you’re good. Ctrl+shift+c and Ctrl+shift+v a’cut’a a’nna pasta jus’sa fine! Muah!

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          Then change the keyboard shortcuts of your terminal so that it does that. If you can’t, then switch to a terminal that lets you change the keyboard shortcuts.

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    It’s insane to me that Windows still doesn’t have a proper package manager. When you need to upgrade a program you’re expected to go to their website and download the latest version, or update it with its own update mechanism.

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      At the same time if there’s a software I don’t use often I’m not wasting my time updating it every time I update everything else. So for example I haven’t played a game on the Ubisoft launcher in about a year, next time I do it will update to the current version from last year’s version and that will be it.

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      i mean its just a matter that app makers avoid the windows store. the only companies i recall I remotely use on the windows store are nvidias control panel (which is ironically being depricated for nvidia app and updates itself).

      companies just don’t want to use the windows store aome because of the fear at some point if microsoft wants to take a cut of profits, they could strong arm it like android/ios/game console OS. Linux has the advantage that people will trust that repositories wont be paid.

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      They do, several third party options and of course the Microsoft store too. It’s the users who are stuck in their old ways, which ironically is the harder way. Weird.

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    I installed mint yesterday and am having a PAIN installing anything not in the software manager. Currently stuck on teamspeak as my first thing to try. Got a tar.gz and can’t find anything well explained online (as of yet, it was already 3 hours just to get mint to dual boot and I was exhausted)

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      With .tar.gz software usually the steps are:

      1. Extract the archive
      2. Find a file with the .sh extention - that’s the shell script. It will most likely be named something like install.sh
      3. Make it executable - by right clicking and enabling it in the properties or by opening a terminal in this folder and using a command:
      chmod +x install.sh
      
      1. Run the installer in the terminal:
      ./install.sh
      

      It might ask you to run it as root and quit. In that case put a sudo before the command above and it will ask you for your password

      sudo ./install.sh
      

      And tbat’s it, installation should begin. Follow the instructions in your terminal.

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      Imma just update: I have given up and wiped the drive to use it as a game drive for windows again. Each turn just gave hours of headache and I’m just done trying.

      Installing Mint took over 3 hours of searching obscure errors with solutions that were way too technical. In the end having gone from 5pm to 11pm just to get Mint dual booting. Got it installed and got teamspeak and stuff installed, after a bit too long having to find out but that’s fine. Spent 4 hours trying to get steam games to run, not a single working boot and couldn’t find anything online.

      I might try again once I get my new AMD based game pc whenever I have budget for it. But for now, nah this took too long and took way too much effort. I just started a new work project which has already been exhausting and I just plain don’t have the energy to bother with this. Its not plug and play like people like to say online.

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      Can’t say for TeamSpeak, but will say for Linux: setting everything up and figuring out your steps in edge cases is the hardest part. Once you figure it out, it gets so much easier.

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    Just wait until you find the fun TUI utilities, ill share a few:

    • Shell: Fish (has powerful auto-complete, very fast, written in rust)
    • Montior: Btop (monitors all system resources and processes)
    • Fetch: Fastfetch (perfect for showing off on [email protected], for [email protected] Hyfetch is reccomnded)
    • Brower: BrowSH (its a browser in your terminal)
    • Text Editor: Vim (the best text editor, remeber to use esc + : + q to close or wq to write close vim. However when you open vim you can never quit)
    • File manager: Ranger (if cd + ls is too inconvenient)
    • Games (yes you can even play games in the terminal): 2048, Chess-TUI, NSnake, and Micro Tetris

    More cool TUI tools

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      I have to check out some of these!

      As for the browser, how does it display sites? Does it display images/video/play audio or is it mostly for just the text based stuff? How about ads/adblockers?

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        My guess is it works like Lynx.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(web_browser)

        You mainly get basic text formatting with some colors. It’s kinda neat. I imagine text heavy sites like Wikipedia (or Lemmy instances! Maybe other Fediverse stuff?) would be decent with it.

        You can open media with external applications it says though.

        Also hey, it’s not running all that fancy privacy-killing JavaScript! :D

        In some situations I imagine it’s fantastic for making your browsing look like you’re working on something important, if you have a problem with nosy shoulder-surfers.

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    • tab completion works in more places than you might expect
    • ctrl-a/ctrl-e for start/end of line
    • ctrl-u to clear the command you’ve typed so far but store it into a temporary pastebuffer
    • ctrl-y to paste the ctrl-u’d command
    • ctrl-w to delete by word (I prefer binding to alt-backspace though)
    • ctrl-r to search your command history
    • alt-b/alt-f to move cursor back/forwards by word
    • !! is shorthand for the previous run command; handy for sudo !!
    • !$ is the last argument of the previous command; useful more often than you’d think
    • which foo tells you where the foo program is located
    • ls -la
    • cd without any args takes you to your home dir
    • cd - takes you to your previous dir
    • ~ is a shorthand for your home dir
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      If you’re looking for a full list of these kind of navigation shortcuts, they all come from readline so read the man page for that. Or just look up the basic navigation of emacs which is what readline is mimicking.

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        A neat thing is that a lot of command line programs use readline. So learning and configuring it will also be useful in for example the Python REPL and calc.

        Here are some neat configuration options you can put in ~/.inputrc

        set completion-ignore-case on
        set show-all-if-ambiguous on
        set completion-prefix-display-length 9
        set blink-matching-paren on
        set mark-symlinked-directories on
        

        And if you are a sensible person who is used to vim

        set editing-mode vi
        set show-mode-in-prompt on
        
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      • alt-. also pastes the last argument of the previous command (useful if you need to modify it a bit)
      • instead of any shortcuts starting with “alt” you can also press “esc” followed by the second key, e.g. pressing “esc”, releasing it and then “a” is the same as pressing “alt-a” (useful if you have only one hand available, or if alt is not availalble)
      • if you put a space before a command, it will not be saved in history (useful sometimes, e.g. if you pass a password directly as an argument)
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        I believe, these are Emacs shortcuts. There’s also set -o vi in bash, but I’ve never used it, so can’t vouch for it.

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          That’s good to know. It’s interesting that the other commenter thinks emacs shortcuts are illogical. I’ll make my best guesses at the logic

          • ctrl-a/ctrl-e for start/end of line

          a is the beginning of the alphabet; e for end (of line)

          • ctrl-u to clear the command you’ve typed so far but store it into a temporary pastebuffer
          • ctrl-y to paste the ctrl-u’d command

          No idea here. Seems similar to nano with k-“cut” and u-”uncut”.

          • ctrl-w to delete by word

          w for word obviously.

          • ctrl-r to search your command history
          • alt-b/alt-f to move cursor back/forwards by word

          r reverse, b back, f forward. Not sure why alt vs control though; presumably ctrl+b and ctrl+f do different things although I know emacs likes to use Alt (“Meta”) a lot.

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            In the 1980s, Digital Equipment Corporation had a word processor, WPS. Ctrl-u cleared the line you were typing and put it into the paste buffer. Maybe legacy usage?

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          Explains why they are so illogical! Unfortunately i think its better to just learn the defaults since i remote into lots of servers where i dont carry my config

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      Saving this! Absolutely gold, thanks for writing it up. You’re what makes the Linux community cool. ❤️

      tab completion works in more places than you might expect

      I’ve found tab to be such a nice “please give me a hint” button.

      • Bonus tip : Sometimes you won’t get auto complete because there’s too many possibilities and the computer can’t be certain which one you want. Hitting tab multiple times will show the possibilities, so you can type in enough characters to remove ambiguity, hit tab again, and boom auto complete!

      …That was a terribly convoluted explanation I’m sorry. Just try hitting tab multiple times for fun if you’re stuck it’s kinda handy. Lol

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      Nice list, TIL about Ctrl+U and Ctrl+Y.

      If I may add, Ctrl+X into Ctrl+E opens $EDITOR to edit the current line.

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      I’ve been using the commandline for so long but was always too lazy to look up the rest of these commands after ctrl+a/e and ctrl+r THANK YOU!!!

      post this commend again and again! There’s always lazy idiots like me who will be helped that way!

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      Saved! Thank you so much.

      I’ve used Linux full-time since late 2020 and I never knew about ctrl+y and ctrl+u.

      I’d also like to contribute some knowledge.

      aliases

      You can put these into your ~/.bashrc or ~/.zshrc or whatever shell you use.

      ###
      ### ls aliases
      ###
      # ls = colors
      alias ls='ls --color=auto'
      
      # ll = ls + human readable file sizes
      alias ll='ls -lh --color=auto'
      
      # lla = ll + show hidden files and folders
      alias lla='ls -lah --color=auto'
      
      ###
      ### other aliases
      ###
      # set color for different commands
      alias diff='diff --color=auto'
      alias grep='grep --color=auto'
      alias ip='ip --color=auto'
      
      # my favourite way of navigating to a far-off folder
      # this scans my home folder and presents me with a list of
      #    fuzzy-searchable folders
      #    you need fzf and fd installed for this alias to work
      alias cdd='cd "$(sudo fd -t d . ${HOME} | fzf)"'
      

      recommendations

      ncdu - a shell-based tool to analyze disk usage, think GNOME’s baobab or KDE’s filelight but in the terminal

      zellij - tmux but easy and with nice colors

      atuin - shell history but good, fuzzy-searchable. If you still have the basic shell history (when pressing ctrl+r), I cannot recommend this enough.

      ranger - a terminal file-browser (does everything I need and way more)

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        +1 for Atuin. I constantly use it on my machine and SSH-ing on remote machines who don’t have it is an absolute pain.

        I’m gonna have to save this thread and check some of those!

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          Yeah, linux-servers without the tools installed in your PC are a hassle. That’s why I learned to work with vim, as that’s in nearly every distro’s repo.

          I recommended atuin as I was using it before, but currently I am using ohmyzsh with the fzf plugin for zsh. This has a very atuin-like interface and handling, but as a plugin for zsh itself.

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      For me the Home/End keys also go to the start/end of a line like ctrl-a/ctrl-e, and ctrl-tab/ctrl-Tab move the cursor fwd/back a word at a time.

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    The Windows terminal has some very good commands. ‘ssh username@server’ can log you right into a Linux machine!

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    Just wait when you try AUR on arch systems. I was long time ubuntu based user but once I tasted rolling release and AUR I don’t want to go back.

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      I was a Nobara user and I’ve gone back. Too many updates that Bork the DE/bootloader (TBF it’s not as maintained as AUR) As for fedora… Random NVidia update borked the system too… But I’m resigned as my GPU being cursed rather than the distro being the isue

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      It is going to make to want to go back

      Someday

      When you least expect it, and have a deadline

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        That happened to me few times, once GPU driver update, once grub update, both relatively easy to fix by searching the error on Endeavour forums and reading their official updates. And both of these issues was me not reading the update notes.

        And when I was once forced to reinstall it was matter of an hour at most to have PC with working environment up and running, thanks to separate home mount and keeping all my installation notes in one place.

        But one can do that with Ubuntu too.

        I learnt one lesson from my manny distro-hopping sessions in the last 12 years, allways separate home from system amd keep all essential installation scripts and files in one place.

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        For me that day was yesterday. Ran an update. Next bootup got a black screen.

        Saw it as a sign that it’s time to distro hop again lol

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          I know the feeling! I’ve been happily rolling with opensuse tumbleweed for almost a year now. Btrfs rollback is a life saver (2 times). Less than 5 minutes for a rollback. Other than that, pretty solid…