President Volodymyr Zelensky left the White House early without signing a mineral deal with the United States following a heated exchange with President Donald Trump on Feb. 28.
Zelensky departed in his motorcade around 1:45 p.m. local time, without holding a joint news conference scheduled for later in the day, after the two leaders got into a heated argument while speaking with journalists in the Oval Office.
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CNN reported that following the exchange, Zelensky and Trump left to separate rooms, with the Ukrainian delegation wanting to continue talks with the Trump administration.
Trump later ordered his officials to tell the Ukrainian officials to leave the White House, despite protest from the Ukrainian delegation.
What is even worse than how embarrassing this is, is that it’s impossible for me to tell if this was Putin’s idea or just a fortunate side effect of his stooge’s lead-addled and dying brain.
France should gift a bunch of nukes to Ukraine. Seriously the EU lacks the manufacturing capacity to properly arm Ukraine without US deliveries and keep their own stockpiles at an adequate levels.
Europe should call ruzi bluff with immediate boots on the ground pushing ruzkies back to the border. Secure the airspace and fucking fry the orcs. Done with minimal european casualties.
Everyone’s pissing in the boot while Europe suffers economic and cultural damage that will indirectly kill many more people than a swift defense would have.
This is how WW3 starts.
No, this is how you deal with russians.
Believe it or not, their whole foreign policy posture is about keeping people scared and allowing them to control the initiative.
All they gotta do is start drone striking Russian oligarch vacation homes
I watched this and I found it disgusting. It seemed to me that this was pure blackmail. This American government can’t be trusted to keep its commitments and I won’t be surprised if he pulls such stunts with Taiwan as well.
I wonder if any other world leader would like to visit the White House and be insulted by this administration !!
Zel should fly to another country in EU for mineral deal
The wording is so insane to me. Like he was just begging to sign that deal. lol
There’s no way he was going to sign it. He didn’t come to the US to sign it. He came here to negotiate into a reasonable deal for both countries. This headline makes it sound like he lost out, and he really didn’t. Like, sure, we could have swooped in and helped Ukraine a little more, but in return we would get billions, maybe even trillions in return… It’s literally war profiteering out in the open.
That kind of shit used to be illegal and now we have Presidents televising his profiteering… This timeline is fucking nuts.
I bet he chose to leave but Trump couldn’t handle the Truth.
Ukraine’s mineral resources really aren’t even that considerable on a global scale. They’re not insignificant but their economic value at the moment, even setting aside the war, doesn’t have American companies salivating.
This minerals for protection thing apparently was floated by Ukraine first to the Biden administration and Trump campaign. The Biden administration didn’t do much with it because, among other things, the actual economic and practical value was questionable.
Trump, on the other hand, just wants to be seen making deals. Zelenskyy and Ukraine first floated the general idea because they knew Trump is highly transactional and it’d give Trump an easy “win.”
I highly doubt trillions in profits are anywhere in the mix.
And you don’t want to negotiate anything with Trump directly. If Zelenskyy did that intentionally, he dropped the ball. Trump is far too mercurial and often only grasps issues in the most basic of senses. Trying to get into a nuts and bolts negotiation with him is pointless. Hammer that out first, get something signable without too onerous of long term commitments, compliment him, sign, move on.
Ukraine’s mineral resources really aren’t even that considerable on a global scale.
Give me $10,000, because you know, on a global scale it’s not a lot of money, so you shouldn’t worry about handing it over to me. /s
For some people, $10,000 is a lot. A metric like “global scale” is so… Fuck, I can’t even think of a word. Assholic. You’re an asshole for using a word like that to describe this situation like it’s no big deal.
So there’s a huge deposit between Mariupol and Donetsk, which is in Russian controlled territory. It’s probably the easiest to mine and most economically viable… I think that was the original plan Zelensky was thinking. Get some American mining infrastructure there and then thr US has skin in the game.
Trump seems to have a survey of the entire countries rare earth resources and is just taking the entire estimated value and splitting in half. Which as you pointed out is stupid, because a lot of the deposits are smaller or would be much more expensive to mine.
I think this is why Putin also was quick to mention cooperating with the USA on minerals in Russia (which from his POV includes those regions). I’m sure Zelenskyy/Ukraine would want to try to use that as leverage but I don’t think Trump bites.
There are some substantial reserves of various minerals elsewhere but not sure how viable and valuable they really are.
You mean in Ukraine? There are tons of other stuff to mine and even some rare earth outside of controlled area… It just is probably less profitable to mine. Here is a map
US assurance means as much as Russian assurance anyways, and US is known to go back on deals they themselves proposed and signed like what they are doing to Canada. So if the US isn’t even making a good faith attempt at a deal they likely wouldn’t stick to in order to protect Ukraine it just shows how corrupt negotions were from the start.
that is why it is important for smaller countries to join up to form something like EU and etc. so as to function like a big country.
That’s what the article says. Zelensky wanted to continue negotiations.
There are things the US has that they cannot get from the EU. If there would ever be a deal that would be the basis.
Europe, don’t count on America for shit. Do what needs to be done before Ukraine is wiped from the map. They will come for you too.
The U.S. are no longer the leaders of the free world. It’s up to Europe now. The U.S. is a fucking shithole.
It’s always been that way
The U.S. are no longer the leaders of the free world.
Frankly, most of the time that was said it was said by Americans and the rest of us just smiled and nodded politely.
As an American, I’ve been more overtly disagreeing with the idiots saying this stuff.
and the rest of us just smiled and nodded politely while nervously eyeing the gigantic stick America was waving around.
America was only ever the “leader” of the free world because no other country wanted to bother with going up against their military. They have bases all over the world. Politely nodding was considered a small price to pay for not being targeted by them.
But this current administration has proved that politely nodding won’t keep a target off of your back. So now, countries have started rethinking their attitudes towards those American military bases.
EU governments were completely happy letting it be the case as well. Don’t act like they were doing much to try and reduce their reliance on US aid.
Yeah, so? They were willing to play along as long as America was reasonably well behaved about it. That was the unspoken bargain of America’s Cold War and post-Cold War international influence - they got to have plenty of soft power, and in exchange they got to play out their World Police fantasy.
Now that’s going to be going away.
Fair enough. It’s up to the E.U. now.
Let’s see if they’re going to get off their ass, or if they’ll just try appeasement again.
Yeah most Americans don’t realize we’ve been slowly losing our Hegemony in world power since the world was well rebuilt after World War 2. But even I thought we had another few decades before we just shit the bed.
American here, we are a shit country with shit people. Good luck and please liberate us from the fascists when it really hits the fan.
We will hopefully do that, but it’s also up to the American citizens to finally put up a proper resistance. One of the most worrying things to me is how indifferent the majority of Americans seem to be to their country turning fascist and betraying its allies. There were some protests sure, but they’re ridiculously tiny compared to protests in even much smaller countries like Georgia. It’s time to wake the fuck up before power has fully been consolidated and there’s no way back. Europe may be able to stand alone against Russia, but against Russia and the US will be tough.
It’s worse than indifference. I posted on NextDoor about NOAA being gutted (this was 2-weeks ago, not about today’s news) and the response was fucked. Got called a socialist, communist, “fuck is wrong with people when we try to reduce spending”, happy to spend money on weather apps as-is (who the fuck does that?!), liberal (in a bad way, of course), some shit about me shitting on vets (?!), on and on. Shit was so hard-on for Trump and Musk it was the most commented post for a week.
some shit about me shitting on vets
Which is weird, because Trump is well known for his hatred of veterans, especially veterans who were disabled in combat. And how he’s doing his best to strip them of what little support they actually had.
I lost confidence in the American public. The egos that are displayed on TV and social media has brainwashed everyone. It’s infuriating to see it all.
About 35% of Georgia’s population lives in Tbilisi. The second largest population center is is Batumi at around 6%. There are 360km between them.
The Los Angeles metro area is America’s largest population center at around 5% of the population. The DC metro area is the 7th largest at just under 2% of the population. There are 4300km between them.
This is on top of the car centric sprawl of US cities with minimal public transportation. If (even generously) 30% of the population wanted a unified protest, how would they reach each other? Let alone converge to protest at somewhere that matters.
Oh, come on. There are still cities with millions of people, where hundreds of thousands could easily get together to protest. Cities double the population size of the entire country of Georgia. There were much larger protests e.g. in DC under the first Trump administration but this time it’s too much of a bother?
That was after 4 years of unrest. “Could easily get together” sounds like its coming from someone who’s never had a daily 2 hour round-trip driving commute. Let alone the fact that half of America was sub 0°F (-17°C) for multiple days in the past month.
Protest size will grow as the weather warms up and the crackdowns fully begin. But don’t expect to see much on the news. This time around the media and tech moguls have all preemptively bent the knee.
You’ve answered the question of why America doesn’t protest, but maybe not in the way you think you have
Think whatever you want but I’m pretty tired of this weird ass foreign political exceptionalism. Why do the residents of Moscow not get shit for weak protests against Putin? Because America is far closer to that situation than other smaller countries facing a weaker central authority. But sure, just keep telling us to go burn the Reichstag…
Pretty easy to say “just get out and protest” when your local police don’t have armored cars and grenade launchers.
Americans are cowards for letting Russia take over their country
Yeah, but we’re rocking a steady 1.21 gigawatts off Ronald Reagan’s spinning corpse.
Murica died with a whimper!
We’re dying by a type of asphyxiation caused by sniffing our own farts for almost a hundred years.
It died with the sound of Putin’s balls being gurgled by Republicans
The greatest bigly whimper
Hard to dispute.
The Kremlin dictates U.S. policy.
Mark my words: Trump will now sign a minerals deal in Ukraine with Putin
The whole world sees it including the American people who clearly don’t care.
The majority of American voters have shown us who they are evil garbage.
Putin’s arm is so far up the orange shitbag’s ass that you cam see the fingers waggle eveytime he opens his mouth
Trump and Vance are total imbeciles. Fucking toddlers are more coherent.
Watching that inteview and remembering the first Zelensky’s adresses to his and even my russian people early in the war, I was pretty occupied with an idea of how these two numbheads would be good punching bags once I put a trash bag on them and use a duct tape to ensure their breath doesn’t leave it, and hitting them repatedly with a fist or some blunt and heavy object. I don’t usually accept or encourage violence, but I felt lost watching this shit piece of negotiations and also very, morbidly angry. I couldn’t avoid thinking of going physical with them and it probably took a year and a half from Zelensky’s tired neurons to keep himself contained until the meeting ended. I’m pretty sure he kicked something after leaving it. I’m sure I would’ve if I has been him.
Just when you thought you couldn’t get any more embarrassed being an American.
This is a great window into how Trump, Vance and MAGA do business.
Bully. Yell. Lie. Threaten.
Vance is the most cringe here. I swear if old age gets to Trump in the next four years Vance will do more damage to the American reputation that can be salvageable in the next decade or more.
You think you’re as embarrassed as you could be? We’re just getting started. You can’t even see rock bottom from where we are now.
Americans will only start to feel embarassment when they need to apply for asylum in other countries to escape the housefire they started. Good luck with that, btw. Oh yeah, and that day still won’t be close to bottom. Friendly reminder that the turnover for food in the USA without resupply is 3 days.
For a guy who said he’s not gonna start any wars, he sure is acting like a guy who’s gonna start a war.
He should fly to Brussels to discuss Europe’s offer. They won’t tell him repeatedly that he should be more thankful.
Americans, I expect you to fight rhis bully.
Please, grow a fkin pair and start fighting back. You don’t want to be regretting your lack of fighting back while you can.
Rage against rhe machine please.
How? Like tell us how. You want us to try and kill people in the streets? Or maybe continue with the protests that are happening? You want us to civil war? I’m just waiting for how us Americans can take out Trump and the republican party. And before you answer look at your country and population and size and compare it to the united states before you say just grow a pair, you can come and suicide yourself trying to take on a assassination attempt if you want, maybe you grow a pair. So if you dont have a real solid plan for how,I don’t wanna hear shit from you
That assumes most Americans are against what Trump is doing which is not the case based on election results. And unlike the civil war for slavery its not like opposing sides are neatly divided by regions this time around either.
It’s more like a random mixture of differing sides living side by side, so rage against the machine would end up looking more like neighbors carrying out reenacting their favorite moments from the Purge movies and just what looks like indiscriminate mass murder between civilians. Not even state vs state.
Problem is most of us are under personal attack, so we don’t have the ability or energy to fight for others. And since the personal attacks are of a potentially violent or otherwise life threatening nature rather than simply a political one, it means many of us can’t afford to stand up.
He won the election. He destroyed the Democrats. More than half the country voted for him. This is what they wanted. You might not like it but you’re gonna have to accept that even though the majority of Lemmy and Reddit agree with you, you’re still the minority compared to the rest of the country. You’re telling us to fight back against this president that you don’t like. Be the change you want to see. Change the minds of everyone around you.
A German before WWII wouldn’t change a word. Shame.
That’s not an argument dipshit hit us with your competent plan to turn this around and we’ll join behind you but all you’ve offered is derision and haughty quips.
That’s not for me to say, I’ve never been to the US (fortunately). But I can think of a few option.
Massive strikes, for weeks. Boycots. Protests. Violence. Courage.
I’m portuguese. Go check our revolution in 1974, my father was part of it. It is possible if you want, people actually have the power.
Maybe start trying instead of insulting and being defensive. Like I care if you offend me on the internet.
That’s an actual argument though not at all a plan, yes we all hope things turn around, talking shit on the Internet from your high horse isn’t productive and you’re more likely to turn people off of what you’re saying then turn them onto it.
Maybe start trying instead of insulting and being defensive.
I didn’t stay the insulting and offensive behavior, you did.
Like I care if you offend me on the internet.
You can be high horse javi or you can be crybaby carl, it’s very weird to try to be both.
Now let’s look into the Portuguese revolution there’s been like 6 and mmm maybe 4 in the last hundred or so years. Let’s give you the benefit of a doubt and say you might be old enough your parent was in either the 1910 or 1974 revolution.
74 also called the carnation revolution, mostly non violent which is kinda dope. Any idea where they got the carnation idea? I do, it was the 1967 March on the Pentagon and one of the most famous protest photos of all time. Now this sounds great but it’s a bit hidden behind the two decades of colonial civil war prior to the revolution. So we’re exactly 19 years and like 320 days ahead of that schedule.
Let’s take a look at 1910, again the prelude being colonial civil war and this time one they lost and were made to retreat by the English in 1890. So that’s 30 years of strife and internal wars so again we’re 29 years and about 320 days ahead of schedule on that one too.
Tell me how we speed run this thing since we don’t have colonies to send into civil war che.
Hey, you win. I’m not discussing the history of my country with you. You’re clearly very smart, very good at checking Wikipedia.
That point where you believe the “Carnation idea” came from the US is so american - you guys really think you’re the center of the world. Get your facts straight, Wikipedia sometimes isn’t enough. In case you’re interested, the lady who sold the first carnation flowers (that were then used, reminding of your 67 thing) probably didn’t even know how to read, it was an organic movement. She died this year, in case you wanna read about her. Of course, we gotta thank the US, because our revolution wouldn’t have happened if we couldn’t insipire ourselves on the almighty godly smart Americans.
My father participated, yes - I don’t care if you believe it or not, he was 20 at the time. He was sent to the TV Station near Porto to avoid it being taken over by the government (propaganda). He had just returned from a war he didn’t want to fight against the liberation movement of the colonies, in Mozambique.
Just sit and wait for the next elections that might never come. And in the meanwhile, come here and insult people who are scared of what your country might do to Europe.
I’m out mate. A bit of humbleness would do you good, but I’m afraid your head is too deep in the sand for you to realize that. No point answering cause you’ll be left alone.
Good thing you don’t need to read to understand a photograph that was literally everywhere because of how powerful it was.
Again, not helpful just preachy. Your country had civil war or colonial uprising for 50 out of a hundred years. We all have our issues and we’re trying to solve them, this high horsed bullshit really isn’t helping anything. You don’t have any actual ideas about how to solve it you just have haughty quips and weird self righteousness.
No one asked you to be in mate. As it would you, help out instead of talking shit.
That’s all they have, They sit behind a keyboard raging at the world because things aren’t the way they want. All that energy would be better placed in looking for solutions.
The Democrats destroyed themselves. Constructed opposition at best. Shamefully inept at worst.
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I want to be clear this is the doing of Republicans in America they are evil.
It’s gonna be interesting watching to see if all the “All Russian people are complicit because they don’t rise up and kick Putin out” crowd actually put their money where their mouths are and show them how it’s done, or if it was all bluster.
To be clear, I hope it’s the former but I think it’s the latter.
Unlike support for Trump in the US, support for genocidal imperialism among is at minimum a strong majority if not an overwhelming majority. The majority holds across all demographic segments; age, education, rural vs. urban, income.
At the point is usually when you hear arguments such as “all russians are afraid, they are all secret liberals” or “how can we truly know what russians think”.
It turns out that people that people who work in this areas do have methods of not only accounting for preference falsification, but even estimating it’s scope.
And even adjusting for preference falsification you still have at least a strong majority openly supporting imperialism and genocide.
Is this situation the same for support for Trump in the US?
Honestly, we – as Americans – are all complicit.
Then do something about it. If you’re still too hesitant or worried to show up to protests, then from Europe with love: Fuck you, go to hell.
There really aren’t many protests.
If you were one who lived in USA and didn’t vote for him, what would you do to not “let this happen”?
As an American who didn’t make that mistake, I heartily agree.
