I once tried to get a conspiracy theory going that Flat Earth was a fake conspiracy started by the government to cover up the real conspiracy - that the moon is flat. That’s why we only ever see one side of it and why we were able to land on it. It didn’t take lol.
I just need people to know that they didn’t fake the moon landing, that really happened. They faked the moon. It didn’t exist prior to the 1960s when it was created by the US government in order to move the goalposts in the space race.
The insider knowledge that there would soon be a moon to land on gave NASA the head start they needed on the Apollo program to finally beat the Soviets, who were thoroughly blindsided by the sudden appearance of the moon.
This is bullshit. What we see as the moon is actually the earth, after the reptillians ruined it. What we live on is actually a domed space station orbiting the moon-earth.
We didnt go to the moon, we went back to the moon.
why we were able to land on it.
This is why you failed. Everyone knows the moon landing was fake and directed by Kubrick.
Yes, but you know how Kubrick was. He made them film on location.
Dank memes can’t melt steel beams.
7/11 was a part time job.
they add fentanyl to your previous vaccines!
My best friend has an unnatural talent for this sort of thing and really enjoys toying with conspiracy theory nuts.
When folks start talking about crazy shit, it makes me very anxious and I tend to shut down. Not my buddy. He eggs them on, encourages it, and gets them to say things or agree with things that are even more outlandish than where they conversation started. Things will start at “China invented covid to kill off old people” and somehow end up at “Hillary Clinton paid to have her chromosomes added to the covid vaccines so that DNA evidence can no longer be used against her in the courts”.
Wasn’t that somewhat how Q-anon started?
I think that basically is yeah. Then, when they saw that it had gathered a following, admins on a #chan who were pro-Trump and think that they’re super smart because they use Haskell took over to pump up fringe support.
I love this method and employ it at bars. It’s like gonzo conversationalism.
“Moon landing was fake!!!” “You still believe the moon is real?”
I once got on the topic of the moon lending with a creationist co-worker. He said he wasn’t sure, but that if it happened we should be able to see it from satellite pictures. So I said “yeah you can”, pulled it up, and zoomed in on a landing site. You couldn’t see footprints or anything, but you could see the shadow of the flag next to clearly man-made debris
I showed him exactly what he agreed would be proof in a difficult to fake form, and it just temporarily nudged the needle for him
Now, I fight conspiracies with the opposite conspiracies.
Earth is a 4D hypersphere, the earth isn’t hollow, Agatha is just another part of the surface reached by holes
The elites are hiding all the best vaccines, like the ones that cure cancer
I recently watched “Brief history of the Wrong Earths” by Hardcore Sci-Fi, not many of these are well known so you could have so much more ammunition for fooling around like that with people.
“flat earth? Nah, it’s expanding bro! Oh wait actually it’s 9 hollow earths one in another!”
This was highly effective when I used it in real life.
The conspiracy theorist got real mad demanding I name sources, I kept telling him to find it on the internet with fake search terms.
congress is full of marxist-leninist-pelosi-ists who intentionally cause inflation to distract us from finding obama’s birth certificate! google “MLP inflation” if yu don’t believe me!
I would have screamed “do your own research!” before just leaving.
I once heard of a pediatrician who successfully convinced a concerned mother that anti-vax ideology was likely a psyop by the Russians to weaken the health of the American populace starting with our children. Doesn’t hurt that it’s probably true.
EDIT: My personal conspiracy theory is that the Chinese government did engineer (or at least selectively cultivate) COVID, but not to kill Americans. In the early days of the pandemic there was some speculation that it affected some blood types more than others, particularly type A. While no link to blood type specifically was found, type A is a more common genetic trait as you move out of Asia and towards the middle east. China has been heavily persecuting the Uyghurs (Chinese Muslims), and those who have managed to get out of the camps have reported medical experimentation and being injected with unknown substances. In addition, the virus would also kill a significant number of the older population, which is important because of the population crunch they’re about to experience due to one-child policies resulting in a high amount of female-specific infanticide. They’re about to have a bunch of old people and a massive shortage of able bodied young people to care for them. Even if they didn’t directly “engineer” the virus in a gene-sequencing manner, they have a lot off motive to just generally cultivate and spread (you can’t really “breed” a virus) an infectious disease targeting people of middle eastern descent and elders.
Thank you for coming to my tinfoil-hat Ted Talk.
Citations needed or all citations point to unreliable sources (Adrian Zenz).
The reason I absolutely believe this to be true? Because I’ve used this on my little brothers since we were kids. I’m 45.
It’s called “reverse psychology.”
Can confirm this is true because the same was true for my mum. She was against the COVID vaccine, but then she started believing that the theories were started by the Chinese government to target people who don’t listen to the authorities.
…she wasn’t wrong tho!
My personal conspiracy theory is that the Chinese government did engineer (or at least selectively cultivate) COVID
The theory I’d believe more is that the U S of A govt or one of its agencies engineered and released it in China.
China and India are growing economies, with decent populations and a pandemic would seriously delay their growth and help the U S of A keep it’s top place for a bit longer or destroy its competitors.
I’ve heard the theory being given decent thought by non-western people. And it’s equally, if not, more believable than the other one.
The US is the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons on civillians, so them using biological weapons on civillians would not be a big moral barrier for them or a big stretch to think about.
They probably didn’t think it’d spread this much and their own citizens n even president would be idiotic enough to be against vaccines and masks, when people were dying.
The US is the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons on civillians, so them using biological weapons on civillians would not be a big moral barrier for them or a big stretch to think about.
That’s such a small stretch that it’s actually a confirmed fact that the US has repeatedly used chemical and biological warfare. Korea and Vietnam are merely two easy examples.
The theory I’d believe more is that the U S of A govt or one of its agencies engineered and released it in China.
They did a stupid ass job them, killing the older only gonna help China, and it didn’t even killed enough people to make a difference and it backfired in the US, the conspiracy that China was engineering with it and shit escaped make more sense
They did a stupid ass job them
They probably didn’t expect their president to be idiotic enough to be against vaccines and recommend stuff like bleach.
They’re a developed nation and could’ve had better control.
They were able to hinder Chinese trade a bit.And didn’t they try and fail to kill Castro in many stupid ass ways?
I think them doing it is more likely than China doing it to their own, considering the trade issues that the virus caused for China at the time.
And again, they were the first to use nuclear weapons on civillians. Did it twice even.
I don’t think they’d have an qualms about using biological weapons, if they thought that it’d give them an edge.They also can float the ‘China virus’ conspiracy to confuse the public and make them anti-China too.
You forgot the anti-vaccine campaign they ran in countries near China saying their vaccine contained pig parts. Not the US state dept’s first anti-vax campaign btw.
US vaccines were made available first and foremost to Western citizens, and only then were made available to purchase. China released their vaccine worldwide, so countries without a vaccine program had access earlier and cheaper than they could acquire vaccines from the US. Their anti-vax campaign was meant to prevent other countries from accepting China’s offer, thus preventing goodwill towards China, protecting the profits of US companies, and leading to the deaths of millions who could have been saved in “US Allied” countries such as the Philippines.
If you were going to buy into one of these two conspiracy theories, first you should have some actual evidence, and then you should look at the behavior of these countries and ask yourself: which behavior is more consistent with releasing a virus that could act as an economic weapon meant to shut-down a country, but not kill everyone?
The Chinese government has not persecuted Uyghurs, tin foil hat person
I understand your desire to defend communism.
But really, how far does an authoritarian regime have to go, while calling itself communist, before you judge them?
What evidence would change your mind about the CCP?
Where did I defend the CCP or communism?
(I do fully support communism and have critical support for China, but that’s not the question here)
What evidence would change your mind about […]
Show me evidence that the Uyghur are being persecuted
Thank you for answering.
I am not sure where to start, but let’s take the easy way: At the moment of writing, the wikipedia page “Persecution of Uyghurs in China” has 585 references.
They’re probably all written by seemingly independent institutions, journalists and scientists who somehow have a McCarthyist-like fear of communism that they’d risk their credibility just to add a bit of damage to communist China’s moral standing?
Or are they all factually incorrect through some other mechanism?
Where did I defend the CCP or communism?
You’re a Lemmygrad user, they’re going to assume that’s your intent by default
How are China’s stringent lockdowns explained in this conspiracy theory? Also, where do I sign up as a member?
Well you can’t not do that, especially not if you’re already known for doing that kind of thing anyway for other things.
A repressive regime that becomes less repressive during a global pandemic is highly suspicious. Gotta keep up appearances.
just trust me bro
Okay, I’m convinced. 😂
I remember reading somewhere that while a western audience would perceive this as utterly farcical, a Chinese citizen is at least more likely to perceive it as the government taking their safety and security seriously enough to be thorough about it. While I’m sure there was some person somewhere in the chain of command who thought this was a good and important idea and that they needed to check the pigeon butts for explosives, there’s no way all of the people involved in doing those searches thought it was likely to uncover an actual weapon, but the cultural context makes it important to err in that direction. Meanwhile in the US, the government is more successful in hiding abuses by “protecting freedoms.” Powerful people all around the world have basically the same playbook, but a big part of that strategy is knowing their audience.
You can also utilize the somewhat covert bribery and diversion systems to this end. As long as everybody thinks everybody ELSE is following the guidelines, and that they’re the only ones really getting away with things / reporting that they’re following guidelines when they’re not, you can get the same result and all you have to do is not look too closely, which is probably what you’re doing with most other things already. In the US you don’t even need to bother doing that because aside from not culturally having enough shame to do so, actively hiding our idiocy in any way would be considered a restriction on freedoms. Around these parts its your god given right to be a dumbass and the gubmit can pry that from your cold dead hands.
We’re stupid, but at least we’re honest about it. They’re stupid, but at least they have the decency to not act like it out in broad daylight. Neither is better and both can easily be a tool of the bourgeoisie.
We’re stupid, but at least we’re honest about it. They’re stupid, but at least they have the decency to not act like it out in broad daylight.
Wrong comparison. People from the US are stupid and proud of it. There’s nothing honest coming from the US except bombs.
I like you.
Like, this is what conspiracy should be - actually somewhat believable - and not dumb shit like flat earth.
I always held that 9/11 was dubious. Not an “inside job” per se, but definitely a case of “we’re gonna turn our backs for just a second, and you terrorists better not do something silly while we’re not looking!”
One of the biggest things that will always stick out to me: the WMDs. They were adamant Iraq had them. They said they had actual evidence. None of it was true. It all came across as an excuse for ol’ George to go in and try to finish what daddy started in '91.
Just to be clear as well, I think other conspiracies such as the controlled demolition of the towers and the fake plane at the pentagon are bullshit. I don’t have my tinfoil hat on that tightly.
Its only believable if you’re already racist.
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Seeing this allowed on mander.xyz is deeply disappointing.
I always held that 9/11 was dubious. Not an “inside job” per se, but definitely a case of “we’re gonna turn our backs for just a second, and you terrorists better not do something silly while we’re not looking!”
But why? What they won letting that happen?
The Patriot Act gives the government practically unlimited permission to spy on all citizens. It was created and passed as a result of 9/11.
I fondly remember reading a comment in /r/conspiracy on a post claiming a geologic seismic weapon brought down the towers.
It just tore into the claims, citing all the reasons this was preposterous bordering on batshit crazy.
And then it said “and your theory doesn’t address the thermite residue” going on to reiterate their wild theory.
Was very much a “don’t name your gods” moment that summed up the sub - a lot of people in agreement that the truth was out there, but bitterly divided as to what it might actually be.
As long as they only focused on generic memes of “do your own research” and “you aren’t being told the truth” they were all on the same page. But as soon as they started naming their own truths, it was every theorist for themselves.
It’s ego powered with insecurity jetfuel, still can’t melt steel beams tho.joke
When I started reading these comments I didn’t expect them to be full of actual, unironic conspiracy theories. 🤔
Dinosaurs are a lie created by the wizards to hide the existence of dragons.
Jet fuel indeed doesn’t burn hot enough to melt steel. Forging temperature, OTOH, no issue.
You don’t understand, steel is either solid or melted. No in-between. No idea what you mean by forging temperature, swords for example are forged by pouring liquid steel to a form, it’s in so many movies!
/s obviously.
I know the /s but I also want to introduce you to amorphous solids! (Because I like them so now you get to read this lol) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amorphous_solid
Which is essentially a “solid” structure without a proper crystalline structure. This will cause it to move as a liquid at incredibly slow speeds. Such a glass for instance. Extremely old historical glass can be seen to be thicker at the bottom than the top. Not because it was built this way, but because over hundreds of years it has “poured” down [1].
*This is a simplified explanation and therefore may not be acutely accurate for sake of simplicity
TL;DR Some solid stuff is really just super slow liquids. I.E. Glass
[1]: See link in comment reply. Glass is an amorphous solid but sources say that glass pane construction is the cause of thicker bottoms rather than it’s movement over time.
Jet fuel doesn’t need extra tanks of mind control agent, they’re already using leaded fuel
lead is in avgas for prop planes, not jet fuel.
*I guess turboprops also use jet fuel so I should have said small GA planes but you get the point.
We really need to get rid of that.
decomissioning millions (?) of perfectly good planes doesnt seem practical and modding old airplane engines to use different fuel doesnt seem like the safest way to solve this problem.
how do we even begin?
I thought that you can still sell new props that need leaded fuel, is that not the case?
no idea that was the case. i was thinking of old 70s cessna type planes and stuff
Regardless, looks like there’s a plan to get everybody off the stuff by 2030.
