Personally I think not having karma limits is nice currently! I understand why they were used but grinding karma as a lurker on reddit was frustrating.

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      Yea that seems like something that started showing up more as time went on and more users joined. The trends and jokes did get tiring.

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      This. I usually try to avoid commenting just “This” and try to give more explanation why I’m saying that. Feel like that’s the proper way of doing it.

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        Personally I am commenting and posting much more now than ever on reddit. I want to transition to lemmy and see it grow as I refuse to use the Android reddit app.

        I am not typing/imagining a comment and then not posting it here either like many people do on reddit. It seems like a good time to become less of a lurker.

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          Agreed, especially with how new Lemmy is, it just really feels like it needs our engagement to succeed and get more people to join.

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            I remember when I first got on reddit, it was still bigger than lemmy is now, but it still felt small enough that commenting actually felt worthwhile. Definitely excited to be here. Tryna engage as much as possible so people feel there’s a community to join

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          Yeah. Honestly I’m way more active here. Granted my whole time on the fediverse is like a week or two, but Ive made more comments today than I have in like a decade on reddit. I could easily see myself not returning to reddit.

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          If I’m not mistaken, because lemmy by default sorts comments by newest, if you comment something more users will see it, but on reddit it’ll get stuck at the bottom.

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      The comment “this” comes from sites that don’t have votes. The equivalent here is voting. It really is that simple.

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      Add back the hardcoded slur filter but just for these kind of comments

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    Posting pictures too much, including pictures of tweets or pictures of news headlines.

    Please link to the fucking article.

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      Yes! Many sumbreddits that actually had a point and were dare-I-say educational quickly became just twitter sceencap platitudes, on repeat.

      I get it, easy to read and agree with and upboat, but ultimately just dumbing the place down to the lowest common denominator and burying anything with effort or insight.

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    Reddit has a longstanding reputation for being a hive of scum and villainy (like hosting the_donald for years, or kotakuinaction, etc). I really hope that Lemmy keeps with the general left-leaning vibes of the fediverse overall, hopefully being a good space for queer people, women, people of colour, etc.

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      I think you do have to be careful here though. If you’re too permissive you allow bigotry, but if you’re too restrictive you cut off honest, good faith debate and create echo chamber silos where beliefs are never challenged.

      Bigotry should never be accepted but that means non-discriminatory opinions, especially ones you disagree with, should be allowed.

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        Good faith is the key here. I’m all for disagreements leading to lengthy discussions and even some controversy as long as everyone is arguing in good faith.

        I can’t stand trolling, outright bigotry, and the normalization of literal fascist opinions as a mere “disagreement”. If a “disagreement” (you know which ones I mean) will lead to people dying if enabled, I’m pretty happy keeping those ideas out.

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          Gender critical ideas are based on truth and reality. If those ideas are censored here that would be terrible.

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            That’s the beautiful thing about being a federated platform. You can create your own island and fill it with all the hatred and bad “science” you want. it’s worked for the British for centuries.

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            Hi! I’m trans. If you’re looking to change your mind about that I’m happy to chat! Otherwise I suggest you look to get out of here as soon as possible.

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              Hi! I’m gender critical. If you’re looking to change your mind about that I’m happy to chat! Otherwise I suggest you look to get out of here as soon as possible.

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            I’ve never understood the need to militantly oppose others’ personal situations when they have no impact on your own. Even playing devil’s advocate - what is the point of the hate? You don’t believe in gender identity, then don’t personally be trans. The fact that others may be would seem to have literally zero impact on you or your life. Why should Lemmy accommodate negativity that does real harm to people in sensitive circumstances?

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      /r/jailbait needed a spotlight in the national news from Anderson Cooper to get dealt with.

      But (allowing for the fact that I’m still learning) by its nature I’m not sure the fediverse can stop these things in total, but the particular instances you subscribe to can. I’m unclear if INDIVIDUALS can ban instances which I think might be a good addition. But instances can, and eventually the fediverse will figure out which instances to put in the time-out corner for the rest of us, I think. But it will take time and might be a bit of wack-a-mole.

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        I think this is the big thing that Fediverse platforms are missing right now. If you want to be able to ban instances yourself, you have to run your own.

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      That would be nice but these platforms with “instances” look like it’s a Reddit on steroids. I don’t see how a community could be shut down with the way it’s setup currently. I’m a complete newbie though so don’t rely on my unprofessional observations.

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        Your instance can ban the offending instances, so they won’t show up for you or your fellow users, and vice versa. It provides a good way to exile the offending community.

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          Do you know how the report button works?

          Does it send a report to the mods of your instance?

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            I honestly have no idea. I’m just running my own instance so I’ll just ban any users from my federation feed if I need to.

            If you check the modlog page (link at the bottom of the desktop site), you can see what mods/admins have been doing recently (note that there is potentially offensive content there)

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      So you want censorship of opinions you disagree with? Sounds pretty fascist tbh.

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    Mods who are running 10 major subreddits. It gives them too much power to steer opinions.

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    Upvote/downvote counts mangling. Just show the real numbers, don’t mess with them with an unknown “algorithm”.

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      As far as I can see, the real number is already on top of the post. And then you have the split of up/downvotes near the arrows. So the “algorithm” is just basic addidion and subtraction. Someone correct me if I saw something wrong…

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        I think they’re referring to what Reddit did with not showing them separately

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    gatekeeping, censorship, shadowbans from commenting in a different community, echo chambers.

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      Shadowbans especially. Either ban a post or not, but don’t make the poster think everyone can still see it without explanation.

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      The Fediverse already has these, there are lots of echo chamber instances that automatically block other instances for simply federating with the “wrong” instance (equivalent to those AutoMod bans on Reddit for posting in a certain subreddit). Since instance admins pay for their instances out of pocket, they are more restrictive with their instance’s allowed content than social media websites that want to cast the widest net. Eventually, there will be a massive split between communities, like how conservative and progressive Mastodon instances all block each other. Centrists can just have an account on each side of the wall.

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    Mod culture is always odd to me. I kind of wish there was more community modderation, and less dictators for life running things.

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      Definitely a problem that comes with reddit and the unique subreddit names I’d say. I feel like that may not be avoided here since moving many subscribers from a large->small community is so difficult. Maybe the federation style will be successful though, I can’t say I have enough experience to predict that well.

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        To be honest, I don’t think that’s entirely just a Reddit thing. Power tripping mods have been around as long as Internet forums have in general. It’s a tough one to combat for sure.

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          As have complaints about legitimate mods from people who got banned. It is a complex issue even just to get the facts of the matter. Maybe some sort of public log of all mod messages and actions would help with that but then one would have to ensure that the people who like the deleted messages don’t just use the mod log as their new place to spread the content.

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    Getting banned in one subreddit you never participated in for daring to have a comment (regardless of the content of that comment) in another subreddit.

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      I see the same shit in the Fediverse though. Mastodon admins blocking a server just because they refused to participate in a shared block list.

      Someone’s going to make a script to ban a non-local user based on your remote posts, I guarantee it.

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        Isn’t the federated model specifically designed as a solution to undesired moderation? If a server is ban happy, users won’t go there. Problem solved?

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          The fact that opening a new instance still requires some technical knowledge is a difficulty facing the fediverse, since the venn diagram of people with the time and know-how to manage server administration and people who are knowledgeable on community moderation aren’t always two concentric circles.

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            But that’s not a task that is asked of a general user, even if their goal is to switch servers. If you don’t like gmail, the solution for an individual is almost never to start your own email server.

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              Correct. What i’m saying is that since federated networks tend to be more community run initiatives, moderators are gonna be people from within the community and the final say on moderation issues is gonna come from those who understand how the fediverse works and have done the work of setting up the servers that everyone is using. Which I’m sure can and has worked for plenty of Mastodon and Lemmy instances out there, but I’m sure there’s also instances where the head admin simply went haywire one day and nuked everything. It’s not that the system can’ work, it’s just that it isn’t really designed to gravitate towards experienced trust and safety experts being the ones that important decisions fall upon.

              I feel like I should clarify that I have nothing against any Lemmy mods or admins. They’re all being cool and helpful with onboarding reddit refugees like myself. I just think that this is an important thing to think about if we want this place to support more and more people and a growing number of communities in the future.

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        Which is important if you don’t want the Fediverse to become the next Voat.

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    Realized another - the awards that reddit created were out of control. I didn’t mind avatars too much since customization can be fun and it was optional, but the awards are spammed and shown on most reddit clients.

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      I actually support awards here with the option of hiding them, i think it’d be a good, relatively ethical way to monetize lemmy.

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        It could be in cool (in the future) to have a donate button instead, so to support users who are posting great content

        On the other hand, donating to lemmy should be separate (the way it is now) and not a cut of those donations to users

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          I always thought it would be cool if awards meant something, like a donation to an NGO of the user’s choosing (from a list of 20 or so to reduce complexity). Lemmy could be one of the options but not the only option (like it was for Reddit) that the money would go to. I feel like more people would buy and give awards if that were the case.

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        I felt the move of making reddit silver a real award was a big shift. Newer users don’t even get why reddit silver was a thing.

        I do like the idea of optional visibility - awards certain;y don’t have to be bloat/bad.

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        Yeah that’s a really good point. Maybe a portion of the award funds for a given post could go to that post’s creator’s server and a portion to a pooled fund for all servers/servers reaching capacity?

        Of course this and any other ideas re monitising should be carefully thought out re perverse incentives 😬

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      Awards were fine when there was only three of them: gold, silver, platinum. Once they added twenty billion, all meaning the awards once had were lost, especially since many of them were given to users for free when they were once paid only.

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    Can’t wait for the screenshot of a Reddit post of a Lemmy post of an Instagram post about Elon tweeting some shit.

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    People taking the voting system so seriously. On Reddit people got offended by being downvoted. Sometimes people downvote just because it’s sitting at a low number.

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      The karma system on Reddit is tied to a lot of things so it’s understandable for them to care about it. If an account has low karma, they’re more likely to be shadowbanned or suspended. Even when not shadowbanned, their posts and comments will need manual mod approval to be shown to other users.

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      I also hated the “disagree = down vote” mentality. Don’t like what the other person is saying? Take 'em down.

      That’s the reason I signed up for Beehaw, because they removed the down vote ability. I think it makes for a more positive mindset

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    As a new community we need to identify and stamp out bad actors immediately and thoroughly (spammers, selfservers, ads disguised as posts, brigading, illegal content, racism, you get the idea).
    We can’t control if they create their own instances, but we can isolate them.

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        this seems to be a good place to mention avoiding groupthink and trendy opinions. more fresh diverisity and bold independent thinkers.
        a flood of general americans would be worse than cultivating a niche counterculture initial userbase.

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        It’s not about making the user leave, because of they know they are banned they’ll try to evade. Shadow banning gives the desired effect while not tipping off the user. So they post away, to nobody.

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        The original use case for Shadow banning was bots I think. To them it looks like they’re comments are still being posted, but everyone else it’s invisible.

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        IP banning is such an annoyance if you are unlucky enough to only be able to deal with ISPs that do not use fixed IP addresses.

        “Can’t post today, because another random person got my IP ‘du jour’ banned in the past” is a pretty terrible user experience.

        And the pro troll just used Tor or a VPN. I consider IP banning to be a very mediocre tool at best.

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          How is that possible? On the app maybe? Generally all a website can see is your IP and whatever telemetry your browser sends back.

          • Hmm. Well, maybe my deductions are off. I used only RIF and a unique email address. Caught a ban. Remade account, banned within a few hours. Tried a week later, banned in a few hours. Gave up for a couple months then got a new device. Created an account, lasted for months. So I figured it was the device. Static IP. Email addresses the same just with a random number appended into it with a plus sign like [email protected]. Wasn’t trying to hide.

            I found the site wide rule against violence to be arbitrarily and poorly enforced. I wrote a lot about legal history and specifically crime and punishment, and I guess my prose and rhetoric sometimes confused the admins into thinking I would ever endorse violence.

            Anyway, found it hard to find your reply here to comment back to you. Browning in jerboa. Could see your reply in the inbox but clicking on it didn’t bring up a reply option, just took me to the full comments. Had to scroll through your posts, you seem pretty chill and reasonable and thanks for making so many comments. I think it’s really about the discussions rather than the top level meme content.