Kinda like comparing my grandfathers journal from when he lived in the USSR to what hexbears say.
Apparently he wrote this journal as propaganda before hiding it away at the bottom of his trunk.
Happens to me with Venezuela. I lived there before and through/ during the glorious revolución bolivariana and here come the champagne leftists from 8 thousands kilometers away to tell me that it wasn’t real socialism, that apparently I am a CIA agent (where my money at?), that I didn’t got held at gunpoint many times in my life there for attempting to escape the country as many others and that the government didn’t murder my family members haha. Yeah it’s not funny at all
Being the victim of American propaganda does not make you an employee CIA agent. But the fact is that America is fundamentally responsible for most of the problems in Venezuela, both via CIA meddling, and letting our capitalists decimate their economy for their own personal gain. Its the same story across almost all of South America. Sometimes it’s staging coups on their elected leaders, sometimes it’s leveraging the power of a fruit company in order to rewrite their laws to be favorable towards said fruit company.
Listening to Behind the Bastards has taught me all I think I need to know to understand where the blame lies for the economic shit of the last 100 years in South America.
What do they say if they’re saying it’s not real socialism?
I would assume something along the lines of - autocracy, authoritarianism, and corruption do not describe what socialism portends to be.
That said, I did read something the other day about how Marxist Leninism in reality relies on the concept of an authoritarian that creates the framework, stays in power to enforce the will of the worker, and gradually relinquishes power as it is no longer required. Interesting.
I know enough about socialism to know that it is as homogeneous a concept as a bloody Mary from a gentrified cafe. Someone saying they know more about socialism than another simply because they lived through one of the scant few representations of it has about as much reason as someone saying they’re an expert in capitalism or patriotism because they live the US. So, I can appreciate the perspective that someone from a socialist country can offer, but it in no way defines socialism as an ethos, IMO.
Obviously he knew that, some day, his grandchild would spread his propaganda far and wide for the glory of this great nation!
Bingo. No room for occam’s razor here!
Or maybe your grandfather just had a perspective that was skewed by either wealth or propaganda. From context in going to guess that he attributes a lot of the negatives caused by capitlaists during the cold war to simply being fundamental facts of socialism/communism
Yea, that’s the one thing he didn’t mention in the journal or bring here with him; loads of cash.
You’re a fucking tool.
I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt actually. You’re the one saying he isn’t merely the victim of propaganda. Its entirely possible he was just an idiot. Or a massive piece of shit. Most of the people who were “driven out” of communist countries were just business owners who were trying to hoard all the food they grew, during a famine. So yes, now that you bring it up, it is also possible your grandfather was just a massive POS, rather than a victim.
Hahaha sure dude. Whatever you say. I’m sure you know much more about the trials and tribulations that happened before you were born than the people who lived through it.
I’m super happy to be living in this country after having read about my ancestors experiences. He took a risk by coming here, but we all have benefitted from it.
You’re still a fucking tool, though. 🤡
Yeah, that kind of thing can happen when you actually research history rather than ask one person. There’s a reason anecdotal evidence isn’t given much credence.
So my options in this scenario:
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read a first hand account from my ancestor and parse out any personal feelings that cloud the truth
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read an opinion from a nameless stranger online who has done nothing but doubt what I have read with my own eyes
As you can see here, the ‘anecdotal evidence’ is coming from you, and the historical truth that actually existed is documented in this journal.
Get your head out of your ass.
Why are those your only options? You already ruled out researching what the actual truth is? Don’t take my word for it, prove me wrong. If I can be proven wrong, I want to know. My evidence is empirical, but 2nd hand. Better than anecdotal, but not proof in itself. Your grandfather’s journal is primary, but anecdotal. Would you rather be right, or be correct? I’d rather be correct.
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I can remember the first time a young person tried to tell me about some Booth fella was the one that shot JFK.
And I was like oh no son, you’re severely mistaken. It was Lincoln that assassinated Washington, I was there on the banks of the Potomac and watched the whole thing unfold.
If only there was some way to easily confirm that by typing it into a search engine
That’s hogswash, Bobby. I assassinated George Washington. Abraham Lincoln is the devil!!
I was there when Lincoln became a Vampire Killer - can’t fool me
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet.
That’s the Wright Brothers’ plane! In Kitty Hawk in 1903, Charles Lindbergh flew it 15 miles on a thimble full of corn oil. Single-handedly won us the Civil War, it did.
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Just leave it up with the downvotes
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Yeah, sometimes when a comment gets wildly misinterpreted or goes wrong due to early attention by people with bad attitudes, I leave it up… other times, I get sick of repeated replies by abusive people and just block people and delete it. Reddit voting in particular (and some Lemmy lately) goes with trends, like if a post starts to get downvotes, people are more likely to downvote it, especially if it’s ambiguous. People trying to interpret it will choose a negative interpretation if it already has downvotes, like the other downvotes are a sign “other people determined this was bad”. Even worse, there is a certain behavior where people reply to someone who has been downvoted to try to correct or chide them, like it’s their opportunity to act superior and talk down to someone.
Who were you, DENVERCODER9? WHAT DID YOU SEE!!?
I hate to recycle Reddit over abused one liners but…
I get that reference!
Like when someone starts working at your company and starts bagging out the process and whomever built a project they really really wanted to work on and it turns out it’s you who set it up.
for reasons such as budget cuts and you had to make it work and you managed to make it work on nothing but bubblegum and tape and here this person is saying how you did it wrong without knowing youre the person who achieved something really great against impossible odds.
I just walked away and worked somewhere else that had a better pipeline. I’ll let them figure it out the hard way. They can beg management how they need more money to achieve even half of what I did. Fuck em. I’m too old to debate for myself when I already achieved a lot to get them there.
Or: you explain it to them. If they are not a complete asshat you might even be able to teach them something and you cant blame newcomers for peaking on the dunning kruger curve.
No one owes you knowledge. I can walk out and work elsewhere. So You’re not my job. you could ask questions and be respectful to others as much as you expect it. Treat others as you want to be treated. Or not. I’ll just leave. And I owe you nothing for your Entitled attitude toxifying the workplace.
Not gonna lie. You sound pretty toxic to me.
“no one owes you knowledge” actually teammates do owe you knowledge that’s part of being on a team. You work together towards a common goal.
Criticism is a gift.
rudeness mixed with wild assumption is the unskillful calling card of an amateur.
Again: if you are faced with budget cuts criticism does nothing to fix that. Only ideas can. If you have time to stand and do nothing but criticize, you had time to help. If you didn’t then you’re not part of the team and should be shed for the health of the goal. Or have it your way: remain shitty and lose all your valuable players and lose the project. We owe you nothing.
Criticism is helping.
Growing a culture that welcomes and engages criticism leads to better results. Creating a culture which is defensive and fragile to criticism leads to bad products and stagnation. The “in versus out” tribal mentality you articulate is unhelpful.
I recommend checking out this concept https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agonism
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I usually suffer the other way around, with older people saying very wrong stuff “they saw”, but that are very factually wrong
Yeah the thing is “living through” something doesn’t really mean anything unless you were personally involved in it. Like I remember being in school on 9/11. I was a kid at the time, and everything I learned about it was from like CNN or similar. That doesn’t make me an expert. There are definitely younger people who have studied history who will know more about it than me.
They had it wrong their entire lives, never had it right, or they picked up the narrative somewhere along the way to suit their worldview.
That’s not going to stop happening. “Alternative Facts” is proof that some people never stop trying to block out the reality around them.
E: typo
Apparently they’re teaching gradeschoolers that George W. Bush went into Iraq because of 9/11.
(The Iraq war had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.)
Also the CIA torture program had nothing to do with gathering intelligence. But that came out when Trump was pro-extra-torture, and his fans loved him for it.
They were trying to say that at the time.
If you talk to most boomers and even a lot of Gen X they’ll say they remember that’s what happened. Saying anything else at the time would get you called a conspiracy theorist despite the obvious demonstrable proof that the Iraq war had nothing to do with 9/11.
Even mentioning Abu Grahib would get eye rolls and be meet with coruses of “you just hate America” or “you are one of those ‘blame America first’ people!”
I’m a young Gen Xer and IIRC it was clear to half the country that the whole WMD story was bullshit, but for a lot of people that bit of clarity came in hindsight after the initial invasion.
I used to joke that Dubya used 9/11 as an excuse to “finish Daddy’s work”, given that even after the Gulf War Hussein continued to reign for 10 more years. But when Halliberton suddenly started getting all these contract jobs securing oil wells, it was pretty obvious what was going on at that point.
Its strange because I remember there was initial talks about going to Afghanistan to search for Bin Laden, but then suddenly the discussion shifted to the whole bullshit WMD story. IIRC the assigned UN commission that was supposed to do their annual inspections for nuclear and chemical weapons, found nothing during their visit to Iraq just a few months prior, but those chucklefucks in the WH kept pushing the narrative anyway. The Whitehouse did such a half assed job of getting their stories straight, I was sure someone was going to fuck up at some point, but the media kept pushing the assigned narrative and the public bought it.
I think it’s safe to say that he used the reactionary climate of the post 9/11 mentality as a vehicle to help jumpstart OIF. But if not a catalyst, it had nothing to do with OIF, you’re 100% right. We were taking big steps toward conflict and nothing that was used at that time to justify invasion would have been prevented in the absence of 9/11.
7th grade math class the TV in the classroom actually got turned on and we watched the towers burn.
I was too young to really understand the politics behind the war but as it progressed it became clear how much BS it was.
Kids on lemmy these days telling me about 9/11. Dude I was in school that day. I remember it quite well. You weren’t even in your dads balls yet. Stfu.
Dude I had a flight booked that day, and my birthday was later in the week.
That shit changed EVERYTHING.
I was heavily hung over and spent all day in my pajamas watching TV.
Lol… I was lying in bed with my (now ex) wife 2 days after getting home from our honeymoon in Costa Rica
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If it’s any consolation, I was a Junior in HS.
I was in English class and that teacher also taught an elective on Film History, so she had a big screen TV in the room (big, for the time and for being in a classroom…It was probably a 40” tube). A couple of the adjacent rooms came in and we watched the second tower get hit with Katie, Matt, Al, and Ann.
I was a freshman in high school at the time and ironically was in my third period social studies/American history class.
ok boomer
Found the dumbass kid 👍
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I saw someone the other day claiming that the WWW was always as sanitized as it is now and I was like like “lol… no.”
I remember when you could very easily just stumble upon CP, or bestiality, or any number of disgusting, fucked up shit doing a Yahoo search for something totally inocculous.
www.whitehouse.com anyone?
Two people down voted this. I assume they are unaware of the history of that domain.
Hint - you did NOT want to use the wrong TLD at work or school.
Hint - you did NOT want to use the wrong TLD at work or school.
Or maybe you did. 😉
Don’t google on goetse, and don’t google on lemonparty.
I can never see wedding bands and old folks homes the same way ever again.
Don’t google “blue waffles” or “crusty pizza.”
Do Google your username because that skit is hilarious.
Tubgirl
I accidentally saw an old woman being fucked by a German Shepherd when I was 12. Life was wild back then
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Makes me think of a family thing where one young cousin of mine was obviously baked. And everyone knew it. Everyone could see, everyone could smell it. But nobody cared. So the lil fella just sat in the corner the whole time slyly grinning to himself and giggling. Some months later I joked about it in another family gathering and the guy was shocked to find out we knew about weed and what it smelled like.
Weed, ah, what a new fangled thing. Tbh I’ve been in the almost exact position. Something comforting how it keeps happening.
As a teenager a friend and I made up some excuse to sneak away from the adults to go get high. One of the adults knowingly mimed smoking a joint to us.
“How did you know,” we asked.
“I’ve been 16. You’ve never been 40,” he said.
I always used to smoke at work when I worked as a janitor in my 20s. One time my manager grinned at me as I was coming back in from my break and asked if I was feeling tired. I can keep it together, but the droopy eyelids are a dead giveaway lol
Congrats on cleaning up while still keeping it real
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I had a joke during Plamegate (the burning of CIA Operative Valerie Plame as political revenge which was a gross intelligence-co munity faux pas) that we had an opportunity to change the naming convention for DC scandals from -gate to -cake (from yellocake, the processed uranium the Hussein was allegedly obtaining in Africa for WMDS (nuclear weapons) even though he had no way to process the stuff into weapons-grade enriched uranium.
A lot more and better cake jokes could be made, I argued, so the press agencies should just agree to the new naming convention. It didn’t take.
Anyway, Bush got his Iraq war and once we had captured Hussein, Bush was cracking jokes about no-one finding the alleged WMDs, and we realized he sold the US a $3 trillion war without justification.
At that point I wondered how a Republican could ever get elected to the White House again. I was still pretty naiïve.
This was my experience watching the video games episode of Adam Ruins Everything.
“They kept games in the toy aisle! Of course girls weren’t playing them.”
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I played then… then again I wasn’t a girl at the time but I’m a woman now…
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If by that you mean in electronics locked away behind glass. Than yes… the toy aisle
I still remember Toys R Us had a separate section for video games. I don’t just mean a separate aisle. A separate corner of the store. Though I don’t recall whether or not anything was locked behind glass. The more expensive stuff, like the consoles, was probably behind the counter, though.
You had to pick up a slip of paper for the cartridge you wanted, and then go to a security window after paying for it to actually get it.
The consoles I never actually saw on the store floor…
If you were socialized and raised as a boy by your parents, then I don’t think you can say your personal experience disproves that games were demonstrably marketed and targeted towards boys and not girls. It’s gotten better with time thankfully but yeah not sure you can just handwave that away.
Oh no I’m not handwaving it.
I mean they called it the GameBOY for a reason…
Problem with the episodes that it stated that the reason why video games were marketed towards a male audience, was because toy aisles were segregated by gender and video games were kept in the male toy aisle. And that it was this decision that led to Nintendo going all in on a male exclusive advertising campaign.
Which is not true, as video games were only ever stored behind safety glass in the electronic section.
They simply cost too much to be out in the open like that.
Video games were definitely marketed towards male audiences, and I think a part of that was because they were seen as an extension of computers and at the time stem Fields were seen as male only.
So it’s not the issue of claiming a gender bias in gaming, it’s that the logic behind it and the reason the episode gives for the bias, does not mesh with reality…
I’m against dishonesty on principle, especially if it’s from a debunking show. I actually have gained myself a distrust of Skeptics and debunkers simply because I find that most of the time they’re the biggest Liars in the room.
I still remember the first time I went into a Toys R Us to but a Nintendo game, and a few years later to a Babbages to buy a PC game (simcity)
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If I ever have a child, I cannot for them to discover things like Pokémon or some other game/anime/cartoon series I was there to witness and then think I’m so old I don’t know about it.
Yeah, that’s one of the things that make me sad that i don’t have children. When i watch friends with their children, i’m truly envious of the experience with mini-me
It’s happened to me with friends kids. Asking me if I’ve heard of Pokemon. Kid, I was your age when Pokemon first came out.
I had a sort of backwards version of this, see I was the first born come and only to my mother, but the first one to any of those sired by my grandparents. (I think Dad was like 19 she was 18… something around then)
So fast forwqrd like 30 years later my 50-something aunt suddenly is supper knowledgeable about pokemon, when I clearly remember her just not getting it way back then. And I ask her how the hell does she know all this stuff about evolution and regional variants…
And she reminds me that her son is like 12 now… and I’m like “That scans”
For some reason, the one that bugs me a lot is the number of people who can’t spell Ronald Reagan’s name correctly. Maybe because I remember his chief of staff, Donald Regan.
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Oh, you’ve heard of him? That ain’t even the half of it.
You say that like he stole from the poor and gave it to the rich.
I thought that was Biden
“How Biden helped create the student debt problem he now promises to fix”
“The former vice-president and 2020 presidential hopeful backed a 2005 bill that stripped students of bankruptcy protections and left millions in financial stress”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/02/joe-biden-student-loan-debt-2005-act-2020
Generational gaslighting
