• lennybird@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Biden could literally not say another word the rest of the year and still be the smarter choice than letting Trump in.

    Do I wish he was 30 years younger and more active? Of course. I wish a lot of things. That doesn’t change that democracy is literally on the line and I’d vote for a corpse to keep Republicans out of office.

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      9 months ago

      Look at the polling. Biden isn’t winning this election.

      If you really want to stop Trump, you have to start using your brain and realize that by all metrics Biden is losing. This blue no matter who attitude, where its turning a blind eye to the actual campaign failure which is Joe Biden, which is happening in real time, WILL ensure us a Trump presidency.

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        9 months ago

        The only poll that matters is in November. Hillary was a shoo-in in March of 2016. (And in front in March of 2008 IIRC)

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          9 months ago

          No, the polling right fucking now matters.

          NO candidate EVER has come back from the deficit showing.

          Do you actually want to stop Trump or not?

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              9 months ago

              Obama wasn’t running on a 39% approval rating you dummy.

              https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

              Thats what fucking matters. Do you want to fucking beat Trump or not? Whats your priority here? Running Biden or beating Trump? You have to pick one.

              Edit: Oh you want Gallup? We can do Gallup

              https://news.gallup.com/poll/103495/election-summary.aspx

              Clinton at that time had a net favorability 30% higher than JOE FUCKING BIDEN has currently. Obama’s net favorability?

              FUCKING 50% higher than Joe Bidens CURRENT NET FAVORABLY.

              You are INSISTING we crash the fucking car into a brick wall.

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                9 months ago

                I see, you’re using “incumbent Presidents approval rating” as “the polls”. For the last few Presidential cycles, incumbents generally win reelection when their approval rating is 40% or higher, and Biden’s is cruising at around 39. But the trend doesn’t get “locked” until the Primaries are over and the conventions start. He is by no means the least popular incumbent, and Biden still has room to improve before the election.

                Despite your assertions to the contrary, I believe Biden and Blinken are both invested in finding a way out of this mess in Gaza. We gave Israel a wide berth right after Oct. 7 , but it’s been months since then and everyone’s patience with Netanyahu is wearing thin. Still, if a ceasefire can be negotiated that will help Biden. That is, if the opposition is about Gaza at all. The opposition in Michigan certainly is. But if Biden can figure out a way out your TikTok feed will find other ways to undermine your support of him.

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                  9 months ago

                  This figure is from polling data I pulled a few hours ago:

                  If the election were tomorrow, Biden loses.

                  If your primary concern is beating Trump, you need a better candidate than Biden.

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                    9 months ago

                    But it’s not tomorrow, and Hillary has direct knowledge of how much elections can change between March and November.

                    Biden needs to improve, no doubt about it, but the answer is not to pull the eject lever. The only way Biden is leaving this race is in a hearse.

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            9 months ago

            NO candidate EVER has come back from the deficit showing.

            Trump did.

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              The guy’s losing his mind over 3 points 8 months before the election.

              It’s not a great position for Biden to be in, but throwing in the towel now is a terrible idea.

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              Are these goal posts being moved or is this an actual request?

              Because if you want a different figure generated I can do so. I’ve got the data loaded.

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                Go ahead. That is the actual matchup. And yes, I realize Trump is currently ahead there. Eight months away and facing 91 indictments.

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                    Yes, I already told you. The five-way matchup. You asked me if I wanted that and I said go ahead. I’m not sure what’s unclear.

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        9 months ago

        I heard the same rhetoric in 2020 and 2022… Besides, the campaign season hasn’t even started and Biden is out-raising Trump already.

        Since you raised attitude, the problem with your attitude is that you’ve got no alternative substantive solution. You can throw peanuts from the peanut gallery all you want, but until you offer up a better solution that is consistent with reality, then people will not take you seriously. Sorry, there is no magical Obama waiting to save us. Joe Biden is what we’ve got, and at least he’s got incumbent advantage.