• DieguiTux8623@feddit.it
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    9 months ago

    Sad but true. And not only Poland, every single European country will either have to choose which superpower to pay tributes to.

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      9 months ago

      What?? The whole reason for this is because the US is too focused on their issues at home and have abdicated their self imposed role as defenders of democracy in Europe. That Poland feels they need to build up their own military to absolutely insane levels and forge deeper defense alliances within Europe is not at all kowtowing to either Putin or America, it’s finally building up the sovereign resources that they and the rest of Europe should have been working on for decades to void the need to bend over and spread it for their preferred superpower.

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        9 months ago

        The issues at home. Is that a former president and most likely nominee of one of the most anti democracy, highly likely to win parties. Literally stated that he expects NATO members to pay tribute. Or not only would he not defend them. He would encourage Russia to attack them. And Americans collectively yawned.

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          9 months ago

          He did not require tribute. He’s saying that the nations that are not meeting their obligations to the treaty… He’d recommend be attacked.

          He’s clearly unhinged, but the US is not demanding to be paid here. He’s saying the countries should be more invested in their own military readiness.

          It’s Article 3 of the NATO agreement and Trump’s statements are (unusually) clear on this.

          He’s no diplomatic or strategist. He’s alienating allies. But we don’t need to strawman him in order to say he’s daft.

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            9 months ago

            It’s basic mob speak. ”nice defense pact you got there. Be a shame if anything happened to it" I guarantee if they privately slipped him a fraction of the unmet obligation. He’d suddenly stop caring. Either way though. What he’s doing is not how things work, or were ever intended to. And there’s no reason anyone would behave the way he is. Without hope for coerced quid pro quo.

            He’s 100% gunning for tribute. The grift is all he knows. It’s not a strawman.

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              9 months ago

              Isn’t he already bought and komrpomised by Russia?

              I suppose he could always double dip, not sure how happy Putin would be.

              Wdit: I’ll standby this point: if that’s your opinion, then it sounds feasible. It is not fact and I’d prefer we not create our own facts. It was stated as fact, not opinion.

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                9 months ago

                It’s very likely. Though I don’t think Putin really needed to with him. I think all he had to do was offer him some money and Trump would eagerly play along. Money and his ego are his only morals. If you play to either one of those. You can puppeteer him all day long.

                What I said was no more opinion than what you said. Which is fair. Though I would point out that this is very highly backed by evidence and facts. But again, as with all things. Until such time as we get him in captivity of some sort where he can be fully evaluated. Yes. All of this is largely opinion, observation and speculation either way.