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    Remember back when Elon kept calling himself a Free Speech Absolutist? That just gets funnier every day.

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      Right-wingers only seem to care about free speech when it applies to themselves. Anyone else and they’ll get talking of “defeating the woke mind virus” or whatever ridiculous way they decide to demonize others.

      Reminds me of that Sartre quote

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      The_donald was the only lesson I needed to learn what conservatives thought of free speech.

      It would be interesting to know what conservatives actually believe. By this point we’ve broken down each and everyone of their professed beliefs and found nothing of substance.

      Here is a list of things I remember conservatives use to say their ideology was based on:

      *Christian morals - You can even look back at their warped version of Christian morality from 1970s forward and still say today that Trump has fully exposed them to be baseless

      *Small government - Trump and Co are actively trying to expand government authority and have successfully taken away the rights of woman all over the US

      *Democracy - Trump told democracy to go fuck itself Jan. 6 2021

      *Capitalism - Capitilism for the serfs socialism for the capitilists

      *American Exceptionalism - At some point America was great but I’m not going to say when.

      *No Child Left Behind - jk jk we knew that was bullshit from the get go

      *Free speech - ahem I mean free ‘hate’ speech. all other speech is negotiable.

      The list goes on my dudes. Would love to know what these people really believe. My guess is nothing. They are just mad and acting out. We’ve all seen it growing up. The people who just refuse to help themselves no matter what you do and you’re constantly picking up the pieces for them.

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        “Conservatives don’t care about free speech. Conservatives cares about power. Faithfulness, old-time values, homemade bread, that’s the just means to the end. It’s a distraction. I thought you would have figured that out by now.”

        • slightly altered quote from Handmaid’s Tale
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        Conservatism is an excuse for your instant, emotional reactions.

        If you formed your beliefs in schools over many years, that’s why you’re probably a liberal now.

        They literally want to shoot people for simple larceny or for blocking the sidewalk in protest. It’s an ideology for people whose lizard brains make all their “decisions.” You know these people, how they just go through life reacting to things. You can trick them into believing anything. I’m not saying that if you’re a conservative you’re going to kill someone for blocking your sidewalk, I’m saying that if you lean into the ideology enough is literally deforms your amygdala and you lose touch with your ability to be rational.

        One thing I enjoy is to get conservatives going about protests and police use of force especially with regard to public protests, civil disobedience, rioting, theft or destruction of private property.

        Get them all fired up. You know, tell them the protesters threw snowballs and maybe ice at the cops first, and that they came into a private shipping yard, broke into private storage, stole whatever they could carry, and set a bunch of it on fire. You know, get them talking about how they’d empty the clip. Then you can reveal casually that you were talking about the Boston Massacre and Boston Tea Party. They remember from grade school how they are supposed to feel about these events, and they are unable to reconcile with their repressed and curious inner children. There defense mechanisms literally cannot process why they are advocating for the British in the revolutionary war.

        You know, “what if these thieves and vandals burned your country’s flags from all government buildings, shot all the police, and said they were forming their own government with a new Constitution and to fuck off?” I like to say they are just dumb but really they are just emotionally immature and regressing.

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        Care to elaborate that bit about capitalism?

        As a non-American, I’ve been struggling to understand how Americans use these terms. Sure, I’ve seen plenty of “capitalism good, socialism bad” rhetoric, but what do people actually mean when they use them? Your example was particularly interesting, because it sounds like you’re implying that Trump promised capitalism, but failed to deliver.

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        The Donald? Where you from you don’t know:

        • Hustler Magazine;
        • Mad Magazine;
        • Dungeons & Dragons;
        • Porn;
        • Mortal Combat for Sega.
        • The Simpsons;
        • Rap music;
        • South Park;
        • Kneel down during song;
        • Saying “gay.”

        I’m sure I’m forgetting twenty other things conservative litteray tried to ban me from doing in my lifetime. Conservatives have zero credibility on free speech.

        In Russia it’s illegal to talk about it’s invasion of Ukraine. It’s called an anti-sedition law. Despite the First Amendment, anti sedition laws and seditious libel were illegal and punishable by long terms of imprisonment until lefty Supreme Court Justices decides so in 1964.

        These Justices on there now will flip us right back to prosecuting people for saying Israel is doing a genocide, or for saying “fuck the draft,” or for saying “fuck Donald Trump,” but not for saying “fuck Joe Biden.” Conservatives right now in America want laws that ban Americans from participating or even talking about “BDS.” Our Supreme Court in America just recently upheld such laws, without really reaching the issue, but keeping the laws alive. They also push ag-gag laws. They have zero credibility on free speech.

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        It is abundantly clear that they do not believe in anything and operate on the basis of reacting in spite to anything they are told to. It’s basically one whole hemisphere of the political spectrum hijacked by propaganda. We genx folk thought that the free access to information on the internet would set people free but this what we got instead.

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        Copied this from another post I made… things make more sense when you realize what their true core principle is.

        There is a good Adam Conover podcast episode where he interviews Corey Robin. In the episode Robin states the main premise of his book, which is that the central underlying ideology of the right is the belief that some people are better than others and deserve to be in power. A lot of the rights’ beliefs and ideas evolve over time but they evolve in service of that core idea. It’s the one thing that stays consistent over time going back to the french revolutions.

        Multiracial, multiethnic, international cooperation, helping the homeless, helping the poor. No matter how you spin it by trying to convince them of the benefits ect, the right will never be on board. They don’t believe those groups deserve help or should be helped. They fundamentally believe it is morally good to depower certain groups and empower other groups.

        That one idea explains so much of the rights blatant hypocrisy. Welfare disproportionality going to red states is good because it’s going to the good people. Rich people getting richer is good because it’s going to the good people. Hurting minorities is good because they are the bad people, helping them is bad. Some people are innately worthy and some people are not. Anything the good people do is good, anything the bad people do is bad. The same action can be good or bad depending on who is doing it.

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    No explanation other than Elon is a thin-skinned little bitch baby who’s carrying water for fascists.

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      He’s not carrying water for the facists, he IS a fascist and they’re trying to spill that water on everyone in an attempt to undermine people’s freedoms. Fuck him and fuck his kind

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          And SpaceX. Sorry pretend space nerds, Musk’s company is actually not that great, and none of his rockets will ever go to Mars, due to financing problems, cost overruns, and an insane approach to rocket design.

          Dude thinks he can iterative design rockets like theyre computer programs that can just be deleted and rewritten with the only cost being paying someone to write new code.

          Real, actual engineering does not work this way.

          Not that his approach works for self driving either.

          EDIT: lol, apparently this is a controversial post. Can’t let the Muskrats not have their Space dreams.

          I suggest anymore more interested check out Common Sense Skeptic on YouTube for more details on how SpaceX and Musk should not be taken seriously.

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            Are you stupid? Falcon 9 is the single most used rocket in the world, and it’s not even close.

            Don’t let your hatred force you to ignore facts. Musk is the most colossal asshole on the planet, but that does not invalidate the excellent work done by Shotwell and her team of engineers.

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              The rocket that’s supposed to go to Mars is Starship.
              I’m no expert, but apparently the design is very controversial, with some saying it’s an extremely risky design.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starship

              The vehicle is fundamental to SpaceX’s ambition of colonizing Mars.

              Pennomi:

              Are you stupid?

              Please, no need for that:

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              Yep, its widely used, and its mission profile can be replaced with other existing rockets for around the same cost, and you’ve always got Blue Origin you know, mastering the basics /before/ tackling more advanced problems.

              Musk and Shotwell are still pretty far from delivering on the level of cost savings per launch that Musk has been touting for over a decade at this point.

              Off by about a factor of ten.

              Shotwell and her /brilliant/ engineers will never build a point to point rocket system, much less one that is economically viable.

              Turns out refurbishing a rocket and reusing it is really time consuming and that process basically cannot be significantly sped up without cutting corners that will lead to losing rockets, or by some totally new rocket design philosophy that has yet to be designed.

              SpaceX is the company that recently did not even realize that their orbiter module had disassembled itself until 3 minutes after this occurred, then claimed that they had intentionally triggered the abort system.

              Shotwell is a joke, as is Starship. At their current rate of development, at best they are looking st something like a promised human rated moon landing capable craft in a decade plus, after some serious redesigns.

              Problem is NASA will have picked a different contractor by then, and SpaceX’s financials are so bad they will likely go bankrupt, or, at best, just stick with the Falcon 9 and maybe try to actually come somewhere close to the launch costs they originally targeted.

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            What if - hear me out - all the employees at SpaceX are working together to intentionally drive up costs by using it as a playground for wacky off-the-wall ideas that wouldn’t get funding elsewhere, but because they are all in it together, management has no idea because everyone is backing and vetting everyone else? And so people keep pumping money into the company, so the staff just keep on with the status quo. For example, wouldn’t you want to see if a spaceship with a rocket attached suspiciously similarly to a foreskin can make it to orbit - and should it retract in stages, or as one swift break-away movement? Need I remind you that this project isn’t on your dime? Mmmhm, that’s what I thought. Now let’s build the cock rocket.

            Maybe the smartest people in the room are the ones we least expect.

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              Maybe the smartest people in the room are the ones we least expect.

              I mean, they are a bunch of rocket scientists. That’s the group everyone has expected to be the smartest people in the room for about a century. 😁

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                I thought that was AI people.

                Turns out … thats not working out so well.

                In everything other than the /lets literally build SkyNet/ department.

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              This is not impossible, but the problem is that Blue Origin has already created the most phallic possible rocket that actually works.

              So at best SpaceX goes bankrupt in pursuit of sloppy seconds.

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    Anyone who follows the alt-right, did Joe or anyone else go ape shit over this yet? I’m assuming that because they were going crazy over the previous Twitter about certain infractions under the old guard … so this new shit must be driving them crazy. Being free speech activists and all that.

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    This was always going to happen.

    Muskrat bought twitter specifically to make it Parler, GAB, and Truth Social all rolled into one.

    Banning, shadow-banning, or purging any and all dissenting views or content that differs from the Far Right narrative on the sites is the norm.

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        That too.

        All the Far Right Authoritarians are just giddy about it all.

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      I can see several motives for him buying twitter.

      Get trump elected, Because:

      a) less taxes for the musky chodelet

      b) less pesky safety and labour regulation for tesla/spacex/neuralink

      c) drop support for Ukraine so he gets a shot at the rare minerals underneath it when russia has full control.

      He’s a useful idiot for trump and putin. Still not sure what the saudi angle is, though.

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    Who the fuck is still on Xitter? Jesus people, get the hell out of there!

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      i keep wondering this myself, so many places are still prominently presenting the xitter button to follow them on,like it’s a totally normal thing to do. it’s fucking bizzare imo.

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      As opposed to what? It’s where the people they follow post. Why would they leave for somewhere that doesn’t have any content they care about? It’s like asking who the fuck is still on reddit. The answer is the enormous shitload of people who just want a steady feed of the same content they’ve always consumed.

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    I don’t understand why people don’t collectively quit Twitter and flock to Mastodon. It’s very simple, it’s better for everyone

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      Even today there are top posts on Lemmy that are screen caps of Twitter. Not even Lemmy users can stop reading Twitter and upvoting. I down vote them on principle but it’s 100 to 1.

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        Reddit and by extension Lemmy were designed to enable content aggregation. I dislike people having so few principles in general but the system is working as intended by users posting things they find interesting happening elsewhere.

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        Here’s easy way to stop reading Twitter: not register there.

        Twitter itself hepled me to stop reading it when it regwalled all the posts.

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      Because for the previous 15ish years before Musky got a hold of it it was actually decently regarded. Many people turned to it for up to date news and trusted it. It was a place where brands could interact with customers, celebrities with fans, etc. It had built up trust. People are having a hard time letting that go.

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    I don’t get why people still use that platform. It’s so hostile to the users. This is an election year and we’re just going to give him all this influence? Society is a big dumb animal.

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    Needless to say, just like if r/conservative/conspiracy bans you you’re probably doing something Right, X is just the new, louder, conservative/conspiracy echo chamber, although i still don’t get why everyone senseable hasn’t abandoned the platform yet.

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    I don’t like that, “leftist”, has become a word used outside conservative circles. It sounds shitty and is as meaningless as, “rightist”.

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      From a casual outside (the US) observer it just seems like it’s the price that gets paid in a two party state where there are apparently no centrists. Americans give me the impression that it’s either team Red or team Blue. Does anybody ever say: “I like a bit of this… but I also like a bit of that.”?

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        Yes, there are some who say that. They get agreed with in person, ignored at the local party/voting level, scoffed at by media, screamed at in general on the internet, and scolded on places like lemmy or reddit (if not screamed at). There are policies that I like that for some reason have to be lumped in with policies I detest no matter which party I look at. One party (fucking GOP) is way worse than the other, but try to have a rational discussion with anonymous or outside-of-your-social-circle people, and any criticisms of a party are like blaspheming their god.

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          try to have a rational discussion with anonymous or outside-of-your-social-circle people, and any criticisms of a party are like blaspheming their god.

          That’s because of the nature of anonymous communication. It is literally pointless to try to convince individual people online. They rarely tell you their underlying motivations, and many times reveal that they know nothing about the subject.

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          Yeah. Succinctly put. I hope things improve, or at least change, at some stage; but as I said in another reply I don’t think the short term prognosis looks too healthy. Best of luck to you.

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        Also doesn’t help that the USA political spectrum consists of “right” and “far right” so while they may call it “left” it’s only left compared to the far right.

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          Good point. The idea that Bernie Sanders (?) is seen as ultra left wing is incredible to me. Americans would probably spontaneously combust if they got to read some of the left of centre manifestos from relatively normal European parties.

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        No, the RiNOs were intentionally and specifically hunted to extinction through shame and exclusion. That’s why the name, “Republican in Name Only,” is applied those who don’t embrace the party’s wildest platforms.

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          Damn. I knew about elephants and donkeys but now I’ve got to read up on rhinos… all jokes aside it looks like polarisation is the problem - which is the two party problem. It must be so frustrating to have views you can’t sensibly talk about objectively with the majority of your peers.

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        I think the cops are useless at best and evil at worst and im pro gun/pro CC, I find that our model of capitalism has failed but I’d rather we revert to the political economic ideas of Henry George rather than Karl Marx. Not that either is possible without violent overhaul most likely. Even just a reframing of capitalism to correct for John Adams era economic fallacies would face nigh impossible resistance from those who have already taken most of the pie.

        So yeah, we exist. It’s just that we tend to get crowded out due to not falling in line with either ideology. I’ve been called everything from RINO to fascist.

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          I understand someone’s economic views would necessarily push them to one side or the other but what I’ve never understood is why gun ownership is so political in the US. From where I am it just seems sad that there’s people in a first world democracy that “need” to be armed just to go out and buy an ice cream. It blows my mind that more isn’t done by all sides (political, manufacturing and citizens) to lower the body count. Any society where members of the public are indiscriminately gunning each other down surely has a big problem. I have zero problems with fire arms - just their application in the US seems a bit fucked. But, like you said about the police, if your biggest gun-toting gang are that trigger happy and indiscriminate then I can’t really blame everyone else packing as a result. Kind of a chicken and egg situation. Hope it works out for you all one day.

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            No, Im not some “hurr durr both sides are equal” moron. Both sides do have issues, but they’re not equal. The left is on the correct side socially but they often have an incredibly naive view of how the world functions, often operating on “why can’t we all just get along and be rich together?” Levels of fantasy.

            However, the US right is socially authoritarian and wants to oppress anyone who doesn’t fit a christo-fascist perspective, and their economic viewpoint is messed up due to conflation of where wages are derived from. So they fail both sides of the coin whereas progressives only fail on economics.

            If I HAD to take one of two sides I’m going left, because I refuse to abide by people who hate those that are different, and I have a lot of gay and trans friends. However I don’t agree with the lemming philosophy of Auth-Left being the solution to our problems.

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                Is it really “socialism” if I think the tax burden should fall on the land owners exclusively and the laborers should derive the larger portion of their labor value than the capitalist that simply made their work more efficient with their capital? Due to wages driving from labor value increasing capital?

                We likely wouldn’t even need social safety nets if the capitalists weren’t taking the largest cut on the pretense that wages derive from capital, and the market wasn’t being driven by those with excess wealth.

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      They used to use liberal like it was something to be ashamed of. And I think they thought we were ashamed of it too. They finally figured out we don’t have a problem with calling ourselves liberal, so they came up with a new word.