If the Russians didn’t want more countries in NATO, then they shouldn’t have invaded Ukraine. It’s not “imperialism” or “russophobia” for Finland to be afraid of a Russian invasion.
NATO shouldn’t have expanded beyond the former DDR to provoke Russia
Never forget that NATO was collaborating with Nazis and performing false flag terrorist operations in Europe after WW2 to instill red panic and install pro-US leaders.
The cold war is over
NATO is still collaborating with Nazis to this day. You can’t see a single picture from Ukraine that doesn’t have a Nazi patch and Canada recently gave a standing ovation for a “Ukrainian war hero” who, uh oh, was a general for the waffen SS. I mean, what do you expect from an institution literally started by a Nazi? The fact that people still choose not to see it leads me to the most regrettable of conclusions.
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Literally shut the fuck up. Do you seriously have dick-all for media literacy? How are people still falling for this…?
I’m so fucking sick of this bullshit. I know it isn’t true, but please for the love of god tell me the reason you’re saying this is because you’re a bad faith nazi, I would honestly prefer that over yet another shit-for-brains white liberal who passively believes everything they’re hear on the TV.
EDIT: You know what? That was way too aggro, i’m just fucking exhausted. I should have just asked you your stance on Israel so you could reveal yourself as being a being a massive monster to the moderators. That would have been the correct play.
Go educate yourself: https://youtu.be/exJ024Zdzdk
I am a Swedish social democrat, and this video is by Sarcasmitron on YouTube, who is also a social democrat.
And yes, the US’s veto on the UN cease-fire resolution was their biggest foreign policy mistake in 2023.
It is not bannable on lemmy.ml for communists to think I’m a “liberal”, and I would end my monthly donations to Dessalines and Nutomic if it was.
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You’re both right
Why shouldn’t former DDR countries sign a defensive pact? Why would Russia not want them to do that?
Since that ‘defensive pact’ was specifically created to serve as America’s spearhead against the USSR
former DDR countries
when you definitely know what you’re talking about
this is the former DDR country, singular
Why would Russia not want them to do that?
Because NATO agreed not to? Because they expect agreements to be upheld?
Sure, it was a dumb move because it angered Russia, but it’s not a reason to murder civilians.
Ukraine murdered civilians in the eastern half of the country since the euromaiden coup, breaking the Minsk Agreements multiple times
No they did not.
Also, it’s not a coup if the president abdicates.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/22/ukraine-tymoshenko-president-protests
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I don’t get what Russia thought would happen tbh. We hadn’t joined because we thought Russia wasn’t as shitty country anymore and wouldn’t just start an actual war in Europe. Then they had to go and prove us wrong.
FYI, this lemmy community is pro-Russian, I got banned for saying that the Ukrainian government wasn’t run by nazis. Go to [email protected] instead.
Not just Ukraine, they invaded Georgia in 2008 and are currently creating a breakaway region in Moldova just like before the invasions of both Ukraine and Georgia.
FYI, this lemmy community is pro-Russian, I got banned for saying that the Ukrainian government wasn’t run by nazis. Go to [email protected] instead.
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I don’t think the Scandinavian/Nordic countries were ever actually neutral or non aligned/committed. Even during the 2006 NATO Red Flag military drills, Sweeden was committed to taking the side of “the West” should a NATO country be attacked. This position was made public by having four Gripen military fighter jets participate in the NATO manoeuvre Red Flag back then, where an attack on a NATO country is used as a scenario to test combat readiness. The Gripen jets were even made fully compatible with NATO standards during the manoeuvre. Denmark sent troops to Iraq.
So there is only a surrendering of official/public non committance/neutrality, as in reality Nordic countries have made their commitment to being NATO aligned quite clear over the past few decades.
Sweden sent troops to Afghanistan too, iirc
Russia has done more for NATO than the US has done
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“I can excuse the literal Third Reich and Italian fascism but I draw the line at the Russian invasion of Ukraine”
“You can excuse the Third Reich??”
It says something. Not sure what.
“Wait, actions have consequences?” - Russia, probably.
Even ignoring the Ukraine war, was there any possible path for Russia to become militarily aligned with Nordic countries? Countries such as Sweeden, even if they were publicly neutral, have made their position quite clear that they were NATO aligned by participating in NATO military drills since 2006 and integrating with NATO military standards. Thus the Ukraine war has just made these unofficial/more private alignments towards NATO by the Nordic countries public. The writing has been on the wall for decades now with the military alignment of the Nordic countries. The Ukraine war just sped up the timeline.
If there were any advantages to doing so, why not? The issue is there are no advantages and myriad disadvantages to aligning with Russia, if you believe you’re a democratic state.
Why would any democratic state want to align with a totalitarian state unless it was the only option?
Why would any democratic state want to align with a totalitarian state unless it was the only option
So why are they aligning with the USA? The candidate with the most votes has lost 1/3 of US elections in the 21st century, there was an effective judicial coup in 2000, and an attempted coup in 2020. Where has the US and their collective partners ever supported democracy? There was support fascist forces in the Balkans, integration of Eastern Europe into the EU not as equals, but as an effective semi-colony of major Western and Central European countries, similar to the relations between the USA and Latin America. In the global south, through the support of reactionary forces such as political Islam and through direct military intervention, the US has been complicit in the wholesale destruction of societies, as illustrated by Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya. I have not even mentioned the situation in Israel, where the USA is actively supporting an apartheid state in Israel and giving them the bombs and ammunition to commit genocide. I have not even mentioned the neo colonialism of the the powerful western and central European countries in Africa.
In what way is any of this democratic by “the West” or the USA? To me, this is the pinnacle of reaction, not progressive or democratic. The true answer to your question has nothing to do with democracy, and rather lies the the first part of your own statement, the Nordic countries think that it is more advantageous to align with “the West” than Russia militarily, and perceive this to be better for their own self interests.
flawed democracy =/= dictatorship.
Putin has been rigging elections and violating the constitution for over a decade at this point.
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They’re aligning with the US because the other party they could have aligned with has annexed their other ally once already, and then launched a full scale invasion to take more in the last 10 years.
You can say what you want about American democracy and probably be right - but it’s more little d democratic than Russia is currently by leaps and bounds.
One does not need to look at a Supreme Court ruling as a coup to see a dictator at work in Russia.
Well they can kiss their unions goodbye in about a decade.
NATO is a military alliance, not an economic pact.
Nothing is ever in a bubble.
Nordic countries are getting colonized.
Willingly too
More like stopping that from ever happening again.
US is literally building their own bases there. That’s the definition of being colonized. You’re just happy they’re getting colonized by the right people because you’re racist.
You deduce that I’m racist based on one single post that indicates that they may want to avoid future attacks from Russia?
There was no potential for any attacks from Russia, and no reason for Russia to attack these countries. So yes, your premise of Asiatic hordes invading Europe further underscores my point.
Asia was never brought up in the conversation. Unsure why you feel the need to misrepresent my words.
Those articles are archaic. Very strange to assume that everyone will have seen those and then use them as a vehicle of attack.
Man that was a hoot.
USA! USA! USA!
