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Mac users should take a look at Pixelmator if you’re doing light work and Affinity if you’re doing studio-grade work.
Pixelmator feels like something Apple developed to be a part of the iWork suite, and the Affinity apps are literally Adobe apps with sane price points.
(Pixelmator was recently purchased by Apple so its future is uncertain, but the original software is still for sale as it was before the buyout for the time being.)
I missed that news. So photomator is probably dead and going to be folded into photos.app.
CS6 represent! it has everything i need for my routine photo editing
I lost my CS6 key a while ago. It was a sad day. Now I just find PS from alternative sources.
Hell, I was still using PS6 on Win10 until I finally switched to Mint a few months ago. I had to reinstall it repeatedly but it still worked.
gimp and krita up in this bitch
Portable CS3 represent
I’ve always been a fan of getpaint.net - it’s like… idk, half-way between microsoft paint and photoshop, but you can install plugins to add functionality that the vanilla version doesn’t offer.
Until you cross into advanced manipulation or outright image creation, Paint.Net can do almost everything you want from it. Tbh the only feature I miss is the plethora of user guides and tutorials that are Photoshop specific, or said another way; I don’t miss their software, I miss the community
Good. People need to stop renting software.
I dunno, I still find m365 family a great deal. 5TB cloud storage for less then 100 euro a year? And get the best most complète Office suite as a bonus?
If you compare that to the competition it’s a slam dunk. I need cloud storage. I need an office suite.
Same goes for prime here in NL by the way. Unlimited photo storage, free games monthly, streaming, Luna, free shipping for less then 6 euro.
I dunno, the cloud storage part is quite easy to make at home. Granted, the initial price will be steeper (since you need to buy the physical drive). But in two years time, it will have paid for itself and your data will still be yours.
As for the office suite, while I understand that MSOffice is advanced, for the regular user that I am, OnlyOffice is more than enough.
until your house burns down, part of the appeal of cloud storage is that its on the cloud (at some massive server building) lol, and the big companies can be relied on to have their own backups, I just wouldn’t trust my own at home cloud all the way, id need both that and online
Frequently paying any amount of money for anything will always seem like a good deal to anyone who always depends on others to do everything. There’s no shame in needing each other, though. We should strive to be self sufficient but can’t be skilled or resourceful in every field. Abusing the needs of others on the other hand… All these huge companies should burn to the ground for that.
I really hope it’s not like goog where if you ever want to download that data your download speeds are reduced to a crawl and everything about the download is convoluted.
Yeah, it’s why I stopped using Amazon Glacier years ago and use ProtonDrive now. The actual storage costs are pretty reasonable, but if you ever want to download your data, shit gets very expensive very fast.
they are great deals til enough ppl sign up, get used to it and attached, then comes price gouging, it happened with adobe
Honest question, what does the current office suite does, or does better, that office 2013 doesn’t?
There are actually a lot of newer excel features that are not cross compatible.
I was running 2010, then 2013 for a very long time. Eventually I started running into compatibility issues when collaborating on professional and hobby projects until it got to a point where I went for 365. It’s a shame that it’s subscription, but it’s definitely great software
Copilot, copilot everywhere… :p
You can actually “cancel” your account into a “classic” account without copilot. It’s fuckin’ weird and hidden, but you can do it. Obviously no price difference.
Not riddled with security holes I guess
Nothing.
You get as lot of extra tools which integrate but my honest opinion is nothing.
Thats Why i stated 5 TB cloud storage for less then the competition as usp.
Just wanted to give an idea for pricing of a self hosted alternative:
- 5-6TB drive is around 100 EUR
- Intel NUC as a server is around 200 EUR
- My personal power consumption is 6 kWh per month at 24/7 operation, here that costs 10 EUR per year
You can chose other parts, you may already have some parts, Im giving my own example here.
Keeping in mind you need to be a bit tech savy to set this up, keep it updated, data secure, things may break down the line and require maintenance, etc… The upside: the data is yours, you are reliant on yourself, it can do more than just store files.
But obviously: to each their own!- work configuring and maintaining
- replacing drives
- dealing with issues
5-6TB drive is around 100 EUR
Really?
I bought a 4TB external hdd ~6 months ago at 149 EUR and thought that was cheap. Dang.
Went on Amazon and found a Seagate barracuda 8TB drive for 130€
Probably not the best for an actual server, but for a personal NAS seems reasonable
Looks like prices are up a bit, I got a portable 5tb one for 100 a year ago. Now they are more like 125. I’m seeing a 6tb refurbished one for 100 though.
You also need to account for RAID and backups. Storing everything on a single drive without copies is asking for sad times.
Generally yes, and this obviously doubles the cost of storage. The good thing is you have options. In my view, not all data is the same so I view some data as more valuable as other data and can do backups of only specific things on drives I already have.
GenP. You’re welcome.
There’s gimp, krita, inkscape
Daw a circle in Gimp. I’ll wait.
3.0 just dropped you can in fact draw a circle… For circles, I prefer inkscape.
But can we have some of the red circles be drawn with blue ink, and some with transparent ink?
Can we have one of the circles in the form of a kitten?
Yes
7 red lines, all strictly perpendicular to one another.
GIMP’s focus isn’t on drawing, but rather on manipulating photographs. If you want to be drawing circles easily, then Krita or Inkscape or any number of simple paint applications will do that…
This, plus Gimp can also easily draw circles
I mean it took all of 30 seconds of having not used in it a few years to find the eclipse selection tool, force it to a circle and fill it with color. If you have a fancy tablet you could probably even put some patterns in it too but that is not a skill I have
Yeah they fixed that, apparently. I wouldn’t know because I’ve never needed to draw a circle in gimp, but that was part of the big hubalu with 3.0.
Awesome. It works on my phone too! Now I can Photoshop on the go!
I really wish there was a desktop version. The webapp starts to chug when the project gets anywhere near remotely-large.
Honestly the best Photoshop alternative I found.
You still don’t own it. You bought a license to use it; like almost any other piece of software. If it came on physical media, you also own the disk it came on, but not the software on the disk. That license may not expire, and they can’t stop it working remotely or take your disk away, but it’s still being “rented.”
Well that sounds effectively like ownership to me
Unless you need to prove you own it in court.
There’s no way to prove you don’t own it at this point, as you’re not required to keep records beyond a certain point (depends on jurisdiction) and creating backups of owned media is lawful.
Let’s say I bought a book. A real hardcover copy of Harry potter and the fucking scarecrow (again).
Do I own it?
I own the physical media, the author or publisher can’t stop my from reading it, or even reading it out loud to a crowd of people. They can’t remotely delete the pages either.
I don’t own the copyrighted text but I do, in fact, own the copy of the book.
Is it a perpetual license that let’s me read the book as long as the physical media is in my posession?
Same goes for the CD. It’s not rented and it’s not a license, OP owns it and can use it. Adobe develops and owns the source code that they compile, package and sell.
A book isn’t a piece of software. Books aren’t just licensed out. Neither are most things. Software is treated differently, and is why we are even having this conversation or OP’s meme exists. 🤦♂️
I mean, if you buy software and expect 0 updates afterwards I guess that’s fair
I mean honestly, the old model was kind of dope. You pay a fairly high price for the software. Updates for that version are free. When they come out with enough new features to release a new milestone version you got to choose whether you upgrade to the milestone or stay on your existing version. True critical security patches were released for At least the last couple of versions.
But you get to decide when the features warrant you buying again. You got to choose with your wallet and the companies had to deal with that.
If they would have put a bunch of crap in about having the rights to AI scrape all of your content in the old version people would have just said fuck it I’m not upgrading it. But as it stands, if you don’t like it you have to not use the software at all.
If you buy software at a version point, (vs the subscription model), why would you expect an update for it? Particularly for free? You chose to buy at a frozen point.
Because it’s beneficial for the software company’s reputation. People are more likely to buy the software when they know that it’s not going to get a permanently unpatched zero-day the moment the next version comes out.
In this day and age people expect security and operational patches. It’s hard work maintaining software, even if it is feature complete.
That model always had the tacit agreement that the company releases early, and the users accept that they are part of a large testing base with one or two major updates to come. Further to this, continued support in the early life drives more sales. There’s a spectrum of users from bleeding edge to 4 versions behind. Some will hold out and never upgrade if key bugs remain, so updates make business sense. Software of this complexity has to be this way to strike a balance to move new features forward.
There often were updates and they were free…
I wonder how much different it really is from current versions.
Up until they started adding AI features it’s pretty similar. I’m ambivalent about those features. They’re handy as hell, but the SaaS model eats dead donkey asshole, and they’re tied together. I always find a client who will just pay for my CS subscription for me, so it’s not really like I’ve suffered much, but what a stupid fucking tax just to get CA-delete.
Content aware delete was in cs5
I kind of thought so but I don’t remember it being awesome yet. My workflows back then were still built around a lot of hand work that is now automated entirely, like sky replacement.
The new mest features that i use the most at work are straighten when i have do do a wuick and dirty scan, and CA-fill when customers send me print files without bleed. But I don’t have to pay for the Adobe subscription, and if it makes my boss happy, then i am happy
I actually checked it out last year because I was curious about the whole AI autofill in Photoshop, where you can give it a cropped art piece and it’ll fill out the remainder.
If your experience with Photoshop is from CS5, you’ll hate this new version. They removed a lot of the tooling that I was used to. Maybe they simplified the toolbar and everything is tucked into different things. I struggled to modify my art piece and remove the background.
I found myself going back to Photopea immediately.
As for the AI autofill thing? It’s a shit gimmick. It barely works most of the time. And honestly, if I was to use a tool, you’re better off using a AI art tool and then “Photoshop” them together. Then use whatever the hell Adobe cooked up.
If you have a decent GPU, you can do “AI autofill” with something like InvokeAI or FluxTools locally (no cloud/account) and get really good results.
After using CS6 since 2012, I finally found a proper working crack for CC (the 2024 version, specifically). The only difference I really noticed was the addition of the AI stuff (which I can’t even use because it requires an Adobe account). There were other differences I’ve noticed too but they’re so minor that other than HDR support, I can’t think of any of them (and I can’t even get HDR working in PS, despite having a 10 bit display).
The jump from Premiere CS6 to CC 2024 was much more useful for me, but only because I needed support for more modern video codecs.
I honestly think commercial software offerings peaked in around 2010, and that’s why they’re all seeking rent now. They realized nobody wants to buy an annual new copy for incremental updates, but they also wanted more profit, not less.
There’s still cool things happening in software, but now it’s all incredibly niche, or FOSS projects that sometimes aren’t all there yet, BUT do cool things that commercial software won’t. Or incredibly niche FOSS projects.
I’m still using CS5.1 Photoshop. I used a newer version about a year ago and short of a few things moved around, it was pretty much the same.
Maybe there is some back end, under the trunk changes that make it more intelligent in how it does something, but I never noticed.
For what I use it for, I don’t foresee myself using anything else until it stops running.
Krita works great for my occasional hobby project.
I’m still using CS3. It’s the only software on my pc at this point that doesn’t have dark mode. I also found out recently that it should run perfectly on Linux using wine, so I intend to try that soon.
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