Private property? Freedom of speech? Freedom to breed? Freedom of thought?..
Convenience.
Sadly it is something far fewer people are willing to give up than any of the above.It really depends on the kind of convenience.
Some conveniences are easier to give up, especially if giving them up will benefit others.
Example: if we are willing to walk around with smartphones that are 5mm thicker and 50g heavier, and a bit less slick in design, we can fix them instead of buying new ones. This kind of things. And we are not even willing to give that up.
This guy speaks about this (I’m not sure if this is the right video)
Who is “we”? You got a mouse in your pocket or something? I absolutely would make that sacrifice. I hate smartphones. I didn’t own one until 2020 and only ended up with it because some scumbag salesman tricked my aging mom into buying it and adding a new number on her account under contract. So she gave it to me. I wish smartphones would go away. They are as “smart” as AI is “intelligent”. I’ve gone without a car most of my life, i’ve never had netflix/instagram/amazon/twitter/etc accounts, I didn’t have internet for the first 15 years as an adult and I am ready to give these things I have now that I don’t want, which are somehow mandatory to participate in life these days. The prospect of getting rid of it all and trying my hand at hermit life or as a hobo grow stronger every day.
I don’t know if the general population cares about phone thickness that much, but in my case I actually would hate a too thin phone.
A better world wouldn’t require sacrificing freedoms.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but a lot of the trouble in the US was caused by people using their freedom to do terrible things to people, and to set the stage for more of the same.
America is not nearly as free as it claims to be.
No, it isn’t.
What does that have to do with my claim?
We’re talking about a better world and giving up freedoms. Americans have given up a bunch of freedoms and have gotten a worse world because of it.
The one does not flow directly from the other. A better world requires some protecting from each other, which means giving up some freedoms. A system of complete and total freedom would not be good for most people.
However, as Franken said, it is important not to give up essential freedoms. What freedoms, exactly, count as “essential” ones? Hard to say. We should have a thread to discuss it.
Yes, the freedom to murder people would not be good for most people, but you are taking away others’ freedoms when you do that. But, this thread is about private property, speech, starting a family, and thought. Maybe I should have been more specific in my original comment. A better world wouldn’t require sacrificing these freedoms. It would require giving up the freedom to take others’ freedoms away.
Any freedom that means you have control over your own body and thoughts, I would consider an “essential” freedom, and those are the ones that I mean when I say a better world wouldn’t require giving up those freedoms. If you’re giving up your right to control your own body, you’re inviting a worse world.
On this, I think we can agree.
I’d sacrifice social media algorithms. Delete them all.
Also ban advertisements
No, not “algorithms” are the problem, but the capitalist who own social media and the algorithms on these.
A sacrifice is something you like and want to keep, but you’re going to give it up for a higher good.
Private property. Remove that and many problems will solve themselves real quick, though that will also cause a large number of human deaths before things stabilize
emotionally, i want to say any and everything including my life, but i know that is merely talk until i have something deadly to face. however, i truly believe there isn’t a single human rights issue not deserving of risking it all. but i am cowardly because i am fearful and insecure. i don’t believe in myself although i try to. i have given up personal comforts for those i don’t know and my friends, but am i ready to face something as severe as prison or being sent to a camp? i want to say “yes, of course,” but… idk. i know if our culture became more radical and revolutionary then i would feel ideological support from those around me and would be more willing to engage.
Private property isn’t a sacrifice. I don’t own any.
There’s a difference between personal property and private property. Private property is a mall, is a factory, is machinery at your workplace. Personal property is your toothbrush, your Playstation, your Television, your blender, your set of German knives, your computer, your books, etc.
Freedom of speech has never existed. The illusion of it has been allowed to be stronger or weaker in various places at various times, if your speech is no threat it’s often allowed, it’s when it’s a threat that suddenly the freedom vanishes and hides behind excuses like national security or illegal ideologies, etc.
I question how you would get rid of freedom of thought without some sort of hellish brain implants being made mandatory so it’s an odd thing to mention.
I’d be willing to sacrifice an awful lot of fascists, reactionaries, and an awful lot of enabling liberals. I’d be willing to sacrifice bourgeoisie. The expropriation of their private property is not a sacrifice but a necessity for things being held in common trust for the people.
The trump family grifters and all their sycophantic (lookin’ at you Lindsay Graham) enablers
everyone with a net worth of over $1 million
though i would do that for air miles tbh
Out of the ones you listed, freedom to breed
Provided they don’t touch freedom to not breed, and we don’t put racist ducks in charge, I think that works be the easiest for me to bear.
But I don’t want kids, so it’s not much of a sacrifice.
For me that would depend on whether it’s just my personal freedom to do so or all of humanity’s. I didn’t come to the hypothetical thought experiment question thread to not kill 8 billion fucking people.
Private property for sure, as I don’t have any.
Freedom of speech too, as I don’t have any.
This one.
How much better we talking here?
Super better. All the important stuff free and top quality. Moonbase.
I think we have more fundamental things to worry about than the cost of stuff.
I’ll let you have my cats but you have to take both because they’re family. And I get to visit.
Trump.
Not really a sacrifice if it’s something you don’t want
Depends on your definition. It’s called a play on words.
Vanity projects.
My car and my motorcycle. The motorcycle in particular hurts a bit more because that leans more into the sport and pleasure (cars do it for me too, but I like the MC more). I live in the US so no decent public transport for me. I’d have to walk about a half mile to get to the closest stop to my house. Closest drop off to my work still means another walk of two miles. Side walks are a bit lacking too. Not to mention that the scheduled for the bus is a bit too limited for what I need.
I love driving for fun, in particular on the MC, but that is getting to. Having to? That sucks and is kind of bad for the environment.
