I cannot wait to see how the Trump admin will spin this. Either that or they have a meltdown and immediately call it a rigged election. Bonus points if he tells Canadians to storm their capital.
There should be a bingo sheet.
Please, I am begging you, do not make this sheet. Right wing media will pick up on it, the golden one will catch wind of it, and it will become an achievement checklist. Please do not.
They are 100% going to say our election was rigged, and our idiots are going to believe them.
Club your idiots with baseball bats. Or cricket bats. Or whatever bats you use up there.
Not the flying kind!
Lacrosse and hockey sticks.
excerpt of facebook comments Ive seen since last night
- “this country is a disgrace”
- " sad day for canada"
- “fucking rigged!”
- “west time to become 51st state”
- “alberta saskatchewan manitoba 51st state of USA!”
- “time to secede”
- “trump will save alberta”
- " insert conspiracy here already picked their candidate, our votes dont count"
- “time to leave”
- accusations of Chinese meddling
- accusaions of European meddling
- accusations of Globalist meddling
I’ll be a little surprised if he addresses it more than a passing comment - the US conservative population doesn’t actually give a shit about canada (unless they’re told to be mad about it for some specific scapegoaty reason, but they’ll just forget. Like they’ve all forgotten about the lumber issues, or eggs, or how ‘canada is killing the US garment industry’ that one was cute…). At this point he’s got enough other things to distract them with, so why waste his very limited attention span on something he’s declared a solved issue?
I think it would depend on whether Canada’s new government is willing to play ball. If they’re not willing to kiss Trump’s ass and give America the preferential treatment that he’s trying to extort from the country, there’s going to be more than just a one-off passing comment about it. Probably a woe-is-me “Canada is taking advantage of us” campaign, I reckon.
Meirdas Touch once again. The orange shit stain backs a Con and all voters take that as a sign that the person is a piece of shit and votes opposite.
Sometimes it works nicely.
Top Poilievre defense he did use a lot of Trump’s talking points and techniques. Branding himself as Trump light.
Temu Trump
He showed who he was, and people believed him, as they should.
Australian chiming in here and we have an election in a few days time.
The current Opposition Leader is running on a platform of Trump Wannabee.
I really really hope our country tells him to stick it up his fucking ass.
rooting for you aussies. Love and strength from Germany <3
Cheers dude. We have to come together across all borders to end this shit.
Let’s go mates. Kick them bootlicker asses.
Luckily we have preferential and compulsory voting.
thankfully our 2 party preferred polls look almost the identical to canadas!
I’m still terrified.
Australians have a bad habit of falling for those kind of dog whistle tactics.
yeah it’s way closer than it has any right to be that’s for sure
This feels like a short-term win but a long-term loss. Carney is a centrist, a former banker that’s in to a lot of conservative ideas. He feels like Biden 2.0, the conservatives only losing because of Trump’s unhinged rantings. MAGA-ism has gained a huge foothold in Canada, and turning to a do nothing centrist is only going to do so much.
‘Do-nothing centrist’? The guy has been PM for all of two months, and won his first national election on Monday. Maybe give him a few months.
And by the way, he played a key role in orchestrating the bond selloff with the UK, France, and Japan on tariff day that caused Trump to back down. No other PM- none- could have conceived of let alone pulled off that.
Trump didnt cause the Conservatives to lose, they did that themselves with how they acted in spite of how Conservatives across the world were acting… and the fact that most of their platform revolved around just screaming “we’re not the liberals, we’re not trudeau”
they acted with an extreme amount of entitlement. that because the liberals had ruined the country for 10 years, it was now their turn. couple that with a lot of snide, childish shitposting, and an absolute bombardment of anti-trudeau ads and rhetoric, they basically bullied trudeau out of office, and once he was gone, they didnt have a platform anymore.
then enter the Trump , Trade war, and threats of Invasion shit. The conservatives basically waffled during this foreign policy crisis that pissed a lot of people off. the reality had changed and a lot of people felt like bringing a party that was polluted with the far right, was now no longer tenable.
That’s a win to me. Not every one on the left wanted a social left leader. Social issues are important. But the economy right now is the biggest fire.
On what do you base the “do nothing” comment?
Eh. If Trump keeps sending shit our way it will be really easy to succeed against them. You know what happened to the British League of Fascists back in the day?
that’s in to a lot of conservative ideas
Fiscal conservative ideas, maybe.
Socially he’s relatively liberal. Maybe not quite as much as Trudeau, but nowhere near what the CPC has become.
We don’t need fiscal conservatism right now either. People are suffering and they’ve been told to tighten their belts too many times.
He sounds like he’s ready to spend on capitol projects at the moment.
In his book he calls for government spending on capital projects in order to kick-start private investment in expanding their businesses (and payrolls, ultimately leading to more employees in better paid jobs and therefore at a higher taxable level)
Look, that’s great in the short term, but after what we’ve seen in the last 30 years, I don’t know how anyone can put any faith in private investment anymore. We’ve had 2 market crashes, at least 2 instances of severe real estate value depression, Vishna knows how many bailouts and what to show for it? Look at the telecoms in (frankly, anywhere, they’re all shit) the US - for a decade they put a surcharge on every single bill that was supposed to help them expand high-speed internet to all parts of the country, not to mention the billions of dollars the federal government provided. The result? Rural areas are still on dialup!
I’m totally okay with taking a shot on someone who is actually educated and respected as opposed to a career politician.
Many Western nations are turning to political outsiders out of frustration with the status quo. Conservatives and the far right have more effectively tapped into that underlying desire and capitalized on it.
Here we have an outsider who isn’t a dog whistling regressive populist. That’s a huge win for Canada in my book.
Aight, Canada. Now you owe us!
Ironically, Trudeau hanging around for a long as he did may have saved Canada. If this election had happened in the middle of last year, the Conservatives would have probably won and combined with Trump, it would have been a disaster. Possibly the smartest/luckiest thing he has ever done.
At the end of the day it all comes down to the role of the dice.
in this case it was the early voter turnout and the special ballots that really lifted it. And we cannot ever forget Bloc. They did a huge push on this one. No one hates Trump quite as much as Quebecois and they showed it 20 fold. Quite a ride watching all this. Especially what with the cyber attacks on the PM during this short campaign was relentless as was the propaganda radios. It honestly should be a case study on how out of control the propaganda was getting on X and facebook.
Trump made Québécois what Canadians themselves couldn’t do, make Québécois more Canadian.
Watching them sing the anthem full-throated during the 4 nations was a sight to behold.
A common threat forces people together.
Cannot believe I’m living in an era where Alberta is more separatist than Quebec.
Really proud of Canada not going down the same path my dumb ass country did
It wasn’t by a large margin… Canadians are turning fascist just like a lot of other countries.
Yes, we narrowly avoided going down the Trump route this time, but I don’t find this picture particularly encouraging (NDP, Green and BQ are the three most progressive parties):
Source: National Post
It’s not straightforward to understand that, since this is a chart of seats not votes, and you can get weird effects with first-past-the-post and strategic voting, but it certainly looks like the electorate is moving rightwards at the expense of progressives.
Maybe the left is realizing that they are fighting for really critical human rights, their autonomy and their country, so it’s time to stop splitting the vote among marginal left wing parties?
But splitting the vote isn’t an issue with proportional representation is it? If the libs lose one seat to the greens that’s still one seat not occupied by the cons.
The liberals are not a left wing party, but ya people are just scared of trump and our own conservatives, understandably so.
I don’t think the answer to the corrupting influence of America’s rotting republic is to become a two party system.
What’s the answer?
Electoral reform would be a good start. Ranked Choice isn’t perfect, but it’s easy to implement and much better than our current system, asvwe build appetite for a truly progressive voting method.
Certainly there’s a lot of strategic voting going on. But you don’t see the Liberal (centrist) seat count increasing as the NDP goes down: the gains are all with the Conservatives. If it were a matter of progressives deciding to just consolidate with Liberals, you’d expect to see the Liberal seat count go up as the smaller parties went down. To me this suggests either that some people are flipping directly from left to right or that there is a general rightwards drift, with right-wing Liberals going over to Conservatives and left-wing strategic voters filling in some of the gap they leave for the Liberals. In either case it’s concerning that when the Conservatives fielded their most far-right leader so far, their share of the seats went up.
In either case it’s concerning that when the Conservatives fielded their most far-right leader so far, their share of the seats went up.
It’s not surprising at all, the 2 conservative parties in Germany are the most far-right and second most far-right parties. They host politicians who are grandsons and granddaughters of real Nazi SS officers (like the leader of the AfD: Alice Weidel, her grandpa was directly responsible for thousands of civilian deaths as military judge and prosecuter and later chief military judge for Adolf fucking Hitler. They copy their talking points one to one and would love to see people dissappear, who are not looking like them. Conservatives, for the most part, are atrociously far-right.
There’s strategic voting going both ways as some people are simply tired of seeing the Liberals in power, they would have been back the following election if the cons had won.
On what planet is the BQ (bloq quebecois) a progressive party? NDP and green for sure.
Bloc are literally a Quebec only nationalist/separatist. The cons are angry at them because they “stole” a bunch of their Quebec voters/seats. If that’s your target audience you aren’t on the progressive end of the spectrum.
In the policies section of the page you link, there are a number of positions that are typically associated with “progressive” politics.
And a broken clock is right twice a day. Just because a couple policies from a party are progressive doesn’t overwrite the fact that their founding tenants are hyper nationalistic (if you count Quebec as an independent nation).
I’m hoping the margin was tight because most people, even the ones who voted liberal, held their nose as they did it. We don’t like a party being in charge for this long, but the alternative is worse and worse every election. Pierre poilievre was however the worst and most dickish conservative I’ve seen in a while, so I hate how close this was.
Both Jason Kenney and Andrew Scheer, the two prior Conserrvative leaders, also completely blew their chances of winning by relying on the rightwing outrage pipeline and by being completely unlikable as a human beings.
Side story, I worked in government and received an MP complaint against me by a client, and the MP was Jason Kenney. I had to talk to him a bit everyday for a week or so, and he came off as incredibly stupid. Blew my mind a year later when he was on a ballot lol.
I was asked by a conservative volunteer why I wasn’t voting Con, I told him to write it down for the higher ups “I will never vote for a candidate who makes up cute little trump style nicknames for his opponents like carbon tax carney, and that any politician who rallies against woke culture has brain worms”
Until social networks are mare criminally liable for the crap they spew this won’t be turned around.
They all have to be sued nonstop for slander, defamation, and high treason or else all their leaders and pundits dragged into the streets and beaten to death in front of their kids. Waiting for society to right itself is never gonna happen.
That is the sad thing.
Conservatives still winning over 40% of all votes total. Definitely a very bad sign.
Hopefully Australia follows suit, as we have our own Temu Trump in opposition coming into our election.
Trump’s truculence has infuriated Canadians
That is a 100% new word to me. 😐
Why 😐?
Congratulations on learning a new word.
…today i told a coworker that i was listening to the transformers soundtrack because transformers rule and i also have a huge transformers collection because transformers totally rule, and he sent me that emoji in response…
Seriously? You’re shaming someone for learning a new word?
I can see how it looks that way, but I think Candletiger was sincere.
I was sincere about the congratulations but only offered them because I thought you were complaining that the news shouldn’t use fancy words. lol.
I’m glad we were all able to talk this out.
Thanks!
I wanted a wide-eyed closed-mouth emoji, lol. After viewing on firefox mobile, however, it looks unintentionally aloof.
Me too! And a perfect description :)
I don’t know why, it’s a perfectly cromulent word.
My vocabulary is embiggened.
yes!!
Carney should send a thank you note to Trump for helping him win the election
The cherry on top:
Little PP got his ass kicked. I love it !
I don’t know how it works there. Was Pierre running in two races?
Would there have a special election for this seat if he had won both?
What are the odds he loses support and goes quiet after losing both, especially his backup incumbent election? (Knowing hard losses used to discourage people, but not always now)
Prime Minister is similar to Speaker of the House- everyone gets elected in their district and then the majority party (or in the case of a
functional democracymulti-party system, a coalition of parties that add up to 51% of the elected officials) picks their own Speaker/Prime Minister without further input from the public. In practice, if you’re already the party leader then you’re sure (95%~) to be the prime minister after your party wins/gets the biggest share in the electionNo one actually “runs for Prime Minister”. The Prime Minister is simply the leader of the governing party. That is determined by the number of seats each party wins. The PM is almost always an elected MP, but as demonstrated for the past few weeks they don’t have to be.
Thank you! I understand now.
Mark Carnage
An absolute Carnageddon for PP
The big key is gonna be if we get that sweet 172 seats with Lib+Green+NDP, we are only 1 seat short
If we hit that mark it means, hilariously, the one single green seat is needed to form a majority government without bloc’s help needed
Which will force liberal party to play ball with NDP and Green Party’s more progressive policies.
That’s our ideal scenario, conservatives are told to go kick rocks, and green/ndp get an actual voice on decision making to push the country in a progressive direction.
One. More. Seat!
Atm we got it, this is the magic sweet spot where we want to be
172 seats exactly with lib+ndp+green
and conservatives can’t even threaten a vote of non confidence with bloc’s help. (1 vote short)
But they could trigger it with that 1 green seat’s help, which means liberals have to stay on the good side of that 1 green seat XD
Hopefully there won’t be a Joe Manchin situation where just one of the liberals starts siding with the conservatives on just about everything to negate the majority (though I may be misinterpreting how the system works, I’m not super aware of how Canada’s legislature functions)
I blame Manchin alone for a lot of what we weren’t able to get done under Biden
If any vote ever fails in our government, it triggers an instant re-election. It’s called the Vote of Non Confidence
It’s probably one of the most key parts of why our government is a little bit more resistant to clown-showing, because even a small crack in the parliament triggers a new election.
So bills can only be tabled if the gov is 100% confident it will have the votes.
Which means the conservatives could table a bill if they knew the NDP + Bloc would side with them on it, as then they have the votes to pass it.
But since it’s the NDP, a very progressive party, it means they actually hold that fine balance of mediating power between liberals and conservatives.
It’s pretty solid actually, and makes it so everyone the entire term could pass a reasonable bill.
Pretty sure this last term the conservatives and liberals did agree on some stuff and some bills passed with both approving it, iirc.
I think forcing them to occasionally work together like that helps temper the fascism lol.
How is the green party in canada? Actually good or like in the US?
The 1 seat they got was in the green party stronghold (co leaders home town)
I have zero clue what her platform is, prolly environmentalist tho.
Generally to the left of the NDP. Kinda unrealistic, TBH, because they don’t have to worry about costing it or carrying it through.
Not as wacko as in the US, but they had some weird new age candidates at some point.
You’re conveniently leaving out the fact that the federal Greens spent the last several years destroying itself through infighting. Remember the leader that was elected to replace the long suffering Elizabeth May who then stole a bunch of money, started a bunch of law suits against the party and then May had to take back over under a joint leadership?
They’re a novelty party, not a party of governance.
(I have voted Green several times, but never again in their current arrangement)
Sure, but go check what the US Green party is to compare and you’ll realize that the Canadian party isn’t so bad
Using “well at least it’s not as bad in America” in these contexts is both dismissive of valid criticism and also a staggeringly low bar
“at least it’s not a Russian funded spoiler party, right?”
But if you go check I was replying to someone asking for a comparison.
If only they would embrace nuclear!
Currently it seems like there is a highly improbable but mathematically possible outcome where the Conservatives and Bloc Québécois form a government. Canada gets to be the 51st state and Quebec gets to be the 52nd state. 💀
Let’s get that last seat! edit: typos
Bloc have endorsed the liberals already, Quebec is extremely anti trump.
Bloc aligning with conservatives would be political suicide lol.
That’s why I said highly improbable. But if they became states it would be the end of Canadian politics. It would be all American politics at that point. edit: typo
Somehow I don’t see Quebec deciding anything that favors a party that wants everyone to speak English.
I don’t think Quebec will recognize Trump’s rule if he takes control of Canada. It may result in some occupier deaths.
NDP and Conservative leaders lost their own ridings.
NDP leader already announced he’s stepping down and I feel like the conservative has to as well.
lol suck it conservaturds.
thank you, canada, for not following america’s path to ruin.
Yet. Stay vigilant
