By all criteria, this a concentration camp. Not “concentration camp” as rhetorical inflation, or emotionally manipulative shorthand, or edgy metaphor—but as in: literally.

As in: detention without trial, state control, inhumane living conditions, forced labor, dehumanization, brutal violence, isolation from accountability, psychological torture, and—by every available logical extension—murder.

That last one we can’t yet verify in the strict evidentiary sense, but the circumstances suggest it like smoke suggests fire, and they are already trying to hide their actions and deny what is occurring.

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    Look at the shade of their head. These people had hair. Without hair its easy to think they are typical American gang members with shaved heads. But look at the tan-less skin. They had hair and they were shaved to prevent lice but also to remove their personality. Look at some with glasses. Gang members often hate people with glasses because those people often have more money to pay for glasses.

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    By the way, only some concentrations camps in Nazi Germany were exterminations camps. So even without any mass murder this can easily be regarded as equivalent in function to a concentration camp.

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      We invented concentration camps in the US to deal with Chinese and Native American “undesirables,” back in the mid 1800s. This is just the third time, at least, we have started using them. We only pretend to be better than the Nazis because we didn’t have the idea to use them as mass murder camps, just slow death camps.

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        You forget 120,000 people of Japanese descent during WW2. And the Biden ICE camps.
        And how about Guantanamo for some added gruesome torture?
        The one that Obama definitely and immediately was going to close when elected.
        And it would’ve been no problem since the US used Polish black sites and other vasal places to do it.

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          I started the timeframe in the mid 1800s. The WWII camps were the second or third time we used them. One could argue that the modern day Industrial Prison Complex is also another variation that we are using of the same theme.

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    America already had concentration camps in the form of ICE detention camps and prisons. The trials most faced before being sent to prison do not some how make those prisons not concentration camps. Those also have inhumane living conditions, forced labor, dehumanization, brutal violence, isolation from accountability, psychological torture and murder.

    El Salvador is certainly worse, but we didn’t get here overnight. The american people have been conditioned to accept this over decades by sending millions of people to internal slave labor camps with the thin excuse of “but they had due process!!!1!”

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    One thing I noted is that the majority of the people that got deported had tattoos.

    Are they intentionally seeking people like that?

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      I mean, this is a level too generic. They aren’t going after 60 year old women with the Rolling Stones logo tattoo’d on their thigh. However, if you are heavily tattoo’d and from a certain part of the world and a certain race, you should be pretty jittery. There’s been some collateral damage in all the ICE sweeps. The current administration is far from highly competent, and their error rate is carrying over to these arrests and deportations. I don’t trust Trump and co. with the smallest of operations, so I definitely don’t trust them with life-or-death, potentially citizenship-violating mass arrests.

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          “I don’t like what they put on their own bodies so I don’t care what happens to them” must be the most brain-dead sentence I’ve read all year

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              stupid. half the college grads I know, a good number of vets, and none who have ever been in trouble, ever, have tattoos. you are just sick in the head. I don’t have tattos, don’t like them, but I don’t choose my friends by it, or use it as a moral compass.

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                  i know no good people named shuhsha, and one bad one, therefore we should fucking find and kill them, lock you up and let you suffer the most inhumane fate known to mankind.

                  yeah it sounds pretty stupid?

                  or are you different? this isn’t a real argument, it’s in bad faith as a matter of category.

                  man i’ll stop feeding the troll but whoever you are i hope you know you’re stupid, vile fucking human garbage and partly responsible for the destruction of western society, not whatever weird bizzaro rhetoric you might have in turn to explain why it isn’t “like the good ol days”.

                  i’d type more but im frankly not even sure you can fucking read, idiot. lmfao.

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              So where does the jump from “people that I should avoid” to rounding up and being sent to concentration camps happen? I don’t really care if you avoid people with tattoos, but where do you get off using that as a basis for persecution?

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                  I’m not using it as a basis for persecution. I’m saying that I don’t care if they are persecuted

                  Those things are the same thing.

                  First they came for the Communists

                  And I did not speak out

                  Because I was not a Communist

                  Then they came for the Socialists

                  And I did not speak out

                  Because I was not a Socialist

                  Then they came for the trade unionists

                  And I did not speak out

                  Because I was not a trade unionist

                  Then they came for the Jews

                  And I did not speak out

                  Because I was not a Jew

                  Then they came for me

                  And there was no one left

                  To speak out for me

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              I never liked tattoos and they’re more-often-than-not an indicator of people that I should avoid.

              I never liked bootlicking, individualistic, snowflake fascists and they’re more-often-than-not an indicator of people that I should avoid.

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              I really hope you’re a child. If you are an adult with this opinion, I feel bad for anybody you come into contact with

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              I never liked glasses… People who wears glasses think they make them look more inteligent, and it’s true.

              And that’s why I’m OK with putting every g*asses wearer in the meat grinder.

              Yeah, totally normal train of thoughts

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          Everyone: stop feeding the troll or at least treat them like the lame troll they are. A 22 day old account whose first comment can be summarized as “I’m okay with people with tattoos going to concentration camps”.

          There are many very stupid people in the world, but few people this stupid. It’s likely a troll.

          Edit: see, even their response to this comment is designed to encourage engagement by making an easily verified false claim. Obvious troll is obvious and not even particularly creative.

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              LOL you’re going to have to up your game kid, your trolling is much too obvious. I suggest sandwiching the baiting comments you want people to “rage correct” between plausible statements a person of normal intelligence would make. When every comment makes you appear implausibly stupid, it just becomes laughable. Once someone points out how you’re trolling, you’ve hit the rocks.

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          Holy crap I can’t believe you think this is about tattoos and not about atrocity. “I am okay with people being sent to concentration camps, tortured, and murdered because I don’t really like tattoos. If you find this view objectionable, it’s just because you have the tattoo mind virus and cannot tolerate criticism of tattoos.” I cannot express how fucked up this is to say. Like you may be completely detached from reality in this moment and should probably isolate yourself until loved ones can help you. You may be in danger.

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          Well by that logic I don’t particularly like beards therefor, all men with beards must be avoided.

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          Can i ask where in the world you’re from? I’m personally from Denmark where tattoos are pretty common – i have some myself. But as i’ve come to learn, the perception of tattoos differ widely around the world.

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          I’m honestly ok with sending you to a concentration camp with no regards for your safety or wellbeing after that comment.

          Tattoos are a form of free speech that applies to one’s body, and should be afforded all of the protections of the first amendment.

          I cannot believe we’re having this conversation in 2025.

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          You joined April 2, 2025. I believe you are just here for thread drift, purposely derailing the topic into a meaningless discussion of tattoos by sharing ragebait.

          Uh-oh! Looks like the mods agreed! lol. Thanks mods!

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      This facility, built under President Nayib Bukele’s “war on gangs,” houses over 40,000 men, most of whom were arrested en masse without any process resembling justice—just tattoos, zip codes, or looking nervous.

      Not just American deportees…

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          The salvadoran government was significantly supported by the US during their civil war. The war lead to mass migration of Salvadorans to the US. MS-13 was originally an LA street gang that the US deported to El Salvador, an act which launched it into an international cartel. They didn’t “make their culture this way”, the US sluffed it’s own problem upon them.

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          Tattoos are not a sign of a culture getting bad.

          Your behavior of intolerance is a sign, however.

          People like you are why I wish the US had re-education camps like China. You need to unlearn your bullshit.

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              most of whom were arrested en masse without any process resembling justice—just tattoos, zip codes, or looking nervous.

              That’s the price they pay for letting their culture get that bad.

              Why are you talking about tattoos here?

              The person you’re responding to highlighted some text from the article, pointing to injustice of the regime by believing tattoos automatically = jail.

              You said their “bad culture” is the price they pay, implicitly grouping tattoo, zip codes, and looking nervous defined by the previous comment all under “bad culture” of those who do go to jail.

              You then gaslight me for pointing out your fascism and disregard for civil liberties by avoiding any correlation with tattoos because you didn’t mention them explicitly.

              Every knows what you were talking about bro. The fact you asked this question makes me think you’re a troll with no convictions for attacking modern fascism. Thanks for giving that away so all of us can treat you as such.

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      Or more interestingly evil…could they be given tattoos forcible to make them look like that?

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    America has been doing this for decades. Look at Guantanamo Bay. We used the excuse of terrorism then and now we’re using the excuse of boarder security. As long as people can be controlled by their greed of or fear then this will continue to happen.

    Edit: autocorrect…

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      Also look at FDRs concentration camps for Japanese Americans. This shit is a time honored tradition in this country.

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          I’m not trying to compare them. We have no idea what’s going on at CEDOT. It could very well be worse, that’s true. My point is FDRs camps were, by definition, concentration camps. This country has a long history of throwing people into concentration camps.

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          America was absolutely a part of the formulation of the nazis. Look up Henry Ford. His plagiarized propaganda was attributed as a source used in the formulation of the final solution. Fuck even Thomas Edison was trying to talk him down. Look at the america first party. Over 20 congressional representatives were in active communication and even received funding from Nazis. Some had received pre written speeches that they actually used.

          If anyone “won” anything, it would be the Nazis, not Americans. Because here we are…

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            Plagiarising propaganda by one president or members of some organization receiving funding from Nazis doesn’t make the nation Nazi. That’s quite the stretch.

            Countless fringe political groups organizing on Telegram to adopt fascist views & looks, holding public demonstrations wearing swastikas downtown, targeting minority groups, and stripping people of their power and their history from the top down is more like it. Because back in the day none of that shit would fly especially around people who fought in the war, but it does now.

            If anyone “won” anything, it would be the Nazis

            I think you mean US enemies? Because these views were cultivated by them way after the fact.

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    I’m sure Republicans would say the same and more about me, but I’d take one migrant who took a risk to work harder than almost any Americans do and give their children a better life (funny how they actually do what the American mythos claims to value, they walk the walk of our largely bullshit rhetoric), at our big corpo’s invitation no less, than a hundred of my fellow American supposed conservatives born in the developed world acting like they hit a triple and reveling in the suffering of those who weren’t born in what was once a cradle of safety until they demolished it with their ballot, seeking to destroy their enemies, aka most Americans, in the zero sum game Faux News drilled into their head.

    These people are unashamedly drunk on the schaudenfreude of cruelty. To me, their willful rejection of basic human empathy means they are wholly devoid of value.

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      Even if you were a massive shithead racist, and only wanted white Americans working in America, it doesn’t matter. Even if you were to somehow convince white, natural born Americans to work the shitty farm, housekeeping, and industrial cleaning jobs, it doesn’t matter.

      There simply aren’t enough white, natural born Americans to fulfill all of those jobs. Our economy will fucking collapse without migrant labor. Our food supply will collapse. We depend on a lot of people working really awful jobs for peanuts to have food on the table every day. There is no amount of rhetoric that will change that. And if it takes the collapse of the United States for these motherfuckers to learn that then so be it. I’ll see y’all at the pitchforks and torches rally.

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        This is something people around the world need to understand.

        All the developed countries with plummeting birth rates should be actively competing for citizens.

        Though for non-US nations they are already getting some help from our self-imposed brain drain.

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    lol find a better picture, The guys in this picture that you put up are all criminals

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      you have a point. we can’t defend our institutions by making heroes out of what the public sees as villains. we can, however, say “yeah, most of these guys probably are violent criminals but that doesn’t invalidate the rule of law and the right of due process”. the former will not help change public opinion, but the latter might.

      but i’m a bit of a paradox. i happen to agree with trump’s methods. i still see him as a dangerous narcissist, but if i could take that same power and use it to deport evangelicals, capitalist sociopaths, and conservatives, i absolutely would.

      it’s a war. we just have to win it. by any means necessary.

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        NAH bro free the guys!

        But seriously these people are idiotic to use pictures like this where these guys are literal scumbags. If you have a chance watch La Vida Loca documentary on YouTube. They even killed the director that they allowed to film them at the end

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          not gonna do that. i don’t need to be convinced that cartels and gangs are dangerous and brutal. i wasn’t born yesterday.

          my question to you is where do you draw the line at who gets due process and who doesn’t?

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            This is not about due process this is about the picture you guys are using to try to prove your Point. Not one person in El Salvador would Agree to what you are trying to prove by using this picture. Also a majority of these guys in this jail already went through the court process. Look it up, But you’re probably not gonna do that. A lot of of the people in this new jail were already convicted criminals that were In old overcrowded jails that were ran by the gangs. There’s videos of them partying with hookers in the jails Before this one was built. El Salvador didn’t just build a new jail and decide to go find a bunch of people on the street and put them in there.

            Also the documentary isn’t for you to pick and choose sides it’s actually a really good documentary

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              i never made any assertions about the documentary. i just don’t want to watch it.

              the way you keep saying ‘you guys’ is concerning though. are you a conservative?

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      How do you know that with certainty if they never had a trial or any kind of criminal proceedings?

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        These are not the people in the picture that were sent over by The Trump administration. These fully tattooed from head to toe with gang signs on them are all criminals that deserve to be there. If you are not from El Salvador or live there or been there Your opinion doesn’t matter.

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        You are literally using a picture with guys covered in MS 13 and 18 street tattoos. If you want to stand up for the people that have been sent there lately by the Trump administration pick a better fucking picture because you’re literally trying to get people to agree with you but you’re putting up a picture of literal fucking rapist and fucking murderers you piece of fucking shits. Feel bad for the people that lost loved ones in the hands of these Terrorist. Because that’s literally what they are they are terrorist that terrorize their communities for years, These are the same guys that would kill a hot dog vendor for selling a hot dog to the opposite rival gang. These are the same guys that would pick up girls And gang raped them and then killed them once they were done with them. It’s fucking ignorant of you to think that you know what’s going on when you don’t know at all whatsoever and it’s pathetic. And this is coming from an El Salvadoran

        If you ever wanna stop being ignorant and actually learn something watch “La vida loca” directed by Christian Poveda on YouTube, and you will see what life was really like when these guys were in the street terrorizing their community. Also they killed the director at the end

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          the right has gotten very good at public opinion chess. they keep putting us in checkmate situations where we have to defend the villains in order to oppose their authoritarian methods. most leftists and liberals fall for it - hook, line, and sinker.

          i think it’s time we stopped playing these games, flipped the table, and put a knife to their throats.

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    I am quite surprised on the lack of knowledge about El Salvador. I would expect this from other platforms, but not here.

    Please get informed before comparing this system to a concentration camp. Now if the administration of the United States wants to use El Salvador’s system to push their agenda, you should continue to blame the United States and not El Salvador.

    Before Bukele, El Salvador had a level of corruption and violence completely out of proportion. There were so many different approaches made to eradicate the complex issue and none of them worked. If you have a group of people that are terrorizing the population, you cannot be diplomatic if the approach. Bukele turned his country around overnight.

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    That first paragraph is perfect: By all criteria, this a concentration camp. Not “concentration camp” as rhetorical inflation, or emotionally manipulative shorthand, or edgy metaphor—but as in: literally. It’s so fucking frustrating how the media has done so much work normalizing Trump that you can’t just call things what they obviously are. Trump is doing all of this stuff loudly and proudly in all our faces but if you call CECOT a concentration camp, or you point out that he dropped a fucking shitcoin before the day of his inauguration to take bribes out in the open, you just have TDS. It must be so easy and comforting to just be a nice little Trumple cultist and slurp up everything he says and dismiss all evidence of your eyes and ears.

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    It is my firm belief that anyone who would do this or approve of this image should be removed from society. There should be some kind of test where these images are shown to a person. If they are not disgusted by them they should be imprisoned for the safety of everyone else for life. Not imprisoned like they would but housed somewhere they can do no harm to anyone.