Summary

Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

  • Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world
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    10 hours ago

    I’m not American but wouldn’t that mean Vance becomes president? It’s tempting to think he couldn’t be any worse, but trump likes the fucker so who knows?

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      7 hours ago

      The main benefit of it is a lot of the MAGA movement will wither with him gone. Someone will be a successor to it, but I don’t think anyone is as influential to that movement as he is.

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      9 hours ago

      Honestly, Vance seems even worse to me. Trump has that embarrassing grandpa vibe and he seems too stupid to make any important decisions on his own or realize what he’s doing. Vance gives me a determined murderous intent vibe.

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        5 hours ago

        Yeah Vance seems like a straight up dangerous psychopath. I’m very scared of him getting more power. (I’m worried already by the immense power he already has) I hope public support galvanizes against him quickly.

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          Vance is much less capable than Trump (and yes, I realize the complete deapth of incompetence that would imply). The harm that he could do would be negated by the complete inability of anyone around him to take him or any threat from him seriously. Especially those on his own side.

          Trump, at the very least, still has the threat of his rabid fans to wield.

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      9 hours ago

      After watching the trump, JD, zelensky situation, I lost a big of respect for JD. He acted like a twat. Trump is definitely a better president than him. President that is. They are both douchebags, but so far doing good for the country.

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        8 hours ago

        I’m curious, what good do you see trump doing for the country? It seems to me that he’s doing a lot of harm but we probably have differing views

          • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            3 hours ago

            You don’t get to claim you’re protecting women with transphobic laws when you’re actively inviting sex traffickers like the Tate Brothers to Florida… the whole anti trans women in sports is just misogyny.

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              I’m starting to think maybe the username isn’t just a username, and the account is literally for a wall panel to express its views.

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            If trump starts sending people to gas Chambers and murdering races he didn’t like, I’ll be there with you screaming ‘nazi Hitler’ at the top of my lungs

            When I call Trump and Musk Nazis, I’m not talking about concentration camps or genocide as with 1940 Nazis either. I’m referring to 1933 Nazis which were using demonization of others, attacking independent media, and The Big Lie to consolidate power. These are what made the Holocaust possible.

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                5 hours ago

                Nothing is bad about that, IF that was what was actually happening. Unfortunately, it very much is not.

                I don’t have the time to go on explaining why upping taxes for everyone making under $500k isn’t catering to 99.999% of the population. Or how blowing up USAID and surprise Pikachu facing when farmers can’t sell their crops since they sold a lot to USAID (not to mention all the soft power USAID gets us and how useful it is to so many people here and abroad). Restricting access to news agencies is not “more freedom of speech” but rather suppression of it.

                Idk you know there is a bunch more I could say but the reality is not at all what you’re painting with your comments.

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            7 hours ago

            Can women be in men’s sports?

            What about the veterans who lost their government job?

            What efficiency has been created?

            What if he starts concentration camps, is that enough to compare Trump to Hitler? Or does it have to specifically be death camps? What if people in those concentrations camps just disappeared and nobody cound find them, would that count?

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            7 hours ago

            Please name/link the wars that ended during his administrations. Why can’t the sports leagues decide who participates via their own rules?

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              6 hours ago

              I’ll give him Afghanistan as he organized the withdrawal… but we saw how big a fuckup that was, so bravo for ending that war after 20 years, but proves he has no idea what he’s doing.

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                48 minutes ago

                He declined to execute the withdrawal, it didn’t happen during the Trump administration.

                Wars ended: 0.