• Clent@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    1% of the world’s population is 80,000,000 people.

    There is too much variance in a population that large to make any reasonable statements or suggest adjustments.

    We already know that people living on pennies per day aren’t the problem.

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      10 months ago

      But shouldn’t it be easier to adjust the lifestyle of 80 million people rather than 8 billion?

      And there are a few easy ones almost everyone in the 1% can chip in: reduce meat consumption, don’t fly, buy local and don’t buy single use items

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        10 months ago

        The problem here is that this research works from a Capitalist understanding of responsibility. That is to say that Besos is responsible for the emissions of Amazon, musk for space x, etc. Which means absolutely nothing. It’s a bullshit number.

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          10 months ago

          How else would you account for it? Am I responsible for 0.001% of Amazon’s CO2 emissions because I order sometimes from them?

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              10 months ago

              Poor Besos cannot decide what and how he delivers. He just needs to deliver to anybody who posts an order on the website someone put up on the internet. Kinda like Santa?

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                10 months ago

                He can decide, and his middle managers can decide, and you can also decide by choosing to shop from somewhere else.

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                  10 months ago

                  How do I know which shop is the best? I don’t. Neoliberal fantasies only work with an informed consumer, just like democracies only work with educated voters.

                  That’s why you can’t make consumers responsible for the emissions the suppliers emit.

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                    10 months ago

                    The information is out there if you wanna find it. The truth is most people don’t care, though. That’s on us.

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              10 months ago

              I don’t really have knowledge nor control over how green Amazon’s delivery is. If you shift responsibility to a party that cannot make well-informed decisions, you kind of end up with the mess we currently have, no?

              The whole idea of money not having a memory is a huge scheme of capitalists to get out of any kind of responsibility.

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                10 months ago

                You are the person to set in motion the apparatus necessary to accomplish the task that you wanted to be accomplished.

                Yes you live in this late stage capitalist hellscape with the rest of us, but that doesn’t absolve you from being critical and making the best decisions in it.

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                  10 months ago

                  The point is that the decision can’t be good because no company discloses the environmental impact of a single product. So even if I had choices, I can only choose based on price. My only hope is that efficient logistics are also cheaper and better for the environment.

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                    10 months ago

                    Yes as an overarching critique that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. My problem is that this doesn’t absolve us from our responsibility. If choice A leaves trails of chemicals behind but costs less than B that leaves purity behind. I can definitely critique people who choose to get A.

                    Mainly because the other option is to choose to not consume. For example veganism doesn’t apply to what you’re saying. It’s a conscious decision based on ethical values. The same thing can be true for people who don’t use cars.

                    And even if there is a choice between lesser evils, it’s still a choice of consequence.