• P1r4nha@feddit.de
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    19
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    10 months ago

    But shouldn’t it be easier to adjust the lifestyle of 80 million people rather than 8 billion?

    And there are a few easy ones almost everyone in the 1% can chip in: reduce meat consumption, don’t fly, buy local and don’t buy single use items

    • nicetomeetyouIMVEGAN@lemmings.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      10 months ago

      The problem here is that this research works from a Capitalist understanding of responsibility. That is to say that Besos is responsible for the emissions of Amazon, musk for space x, etc. Which means absolutely nothing. It’s a bullshit number.

      • P1r4nha@feddit.de
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        10 months ago

        How else would you account for it? Am I responsible for 0.001% of Amazon’s CO2 emissions because I order sometimes from them?

          • P1r4nha@feddit.de
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            10 months ago

            I don’t really have knowledge nor control over how green Amazon’s delivery is. If you shift responsibility to a party that cannot make well-informed decisions, you kind of end up with the mess we currently have, no?

            The whole idea of money not having a memory is a huge scheme of capitalists to get out of any kind of responsibility.

            • nicetomeetyouIMVEGAN@lemmings.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              10 months ago

              You are the person to set in motion the apparatus necessary to accomplish the task that you wanted to be accomplished.

              Yes you live in this late stage capitalist hellscape with the rest of us, but that doesn’t absolve you from being critical and making the best decisions in it.

              • P1r4nha@feddit.de
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                10 months ago

                The point is that the decision can’t be good because no company discloses the environmental impact of a single product. So even if I had choices, I can only choose based on price. My only hope is that efficient logistics are also cheaper and better for the environment.

                • nicetomeetyouIMVEGAN@lemmings.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  10 months ago

                  Yes as an overarching critique that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. My problem is that this doesn’t absolve us from our responsibility. If choice A leaves trails of chemicals behind but costs less than B that leaves purity behind. I can definitely critique people who choose to get A.

                  Mainly because the other option is to choose to not consume. For example veganism doesn’t apply to what you’re saying. It’s a conscious decision based on ethical values. The same thing can be true for people who don’t use cars.

                  And even if there is a choice between lesser evils, it’s still a choice of consequence.

                  • P1r4nha@feddit.de
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    ·
                    10 months ago

                    I already don’t use a car and I eat vegetarian. I’ve got the “individual choices” covered. The problem is that at some point you’re standing in the store googling every single product and their producer to find some kind of issue with it so you can’t buy it. That’s not a sustainable way to live.

          • P1r4nha@feddit.de
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            10 months ago

            Poor Besos cannot decide what and how he delivers. He just needs to deliver to anybody who posts an order on the website someone put up on the internet. Kinda like Santa?

            • rchive@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              10 months ago

              He can decide, and his middle managers can decide, and you can also decide by choosing to shop from somewhere else.

              • P1r4nha@feddit.de
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                10 months ago

                How do I know which shop is the best? I don’t. Neoliberal fantasies only work with an informed consumer, just like democracies only work with educated voters.

                That’s why you can’t make consumers responsible for the emissions the suppliers emit.

                • rchive@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  ·
                  10 months ago

                  The information is out there if you wanna find it. The truth is most people don’t care, though. That’s on us.

                  • P1r4nha@feddit.de
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    ·
                    10 months ago

                    Misinformation is also out there unfortunately. Can’t believe for instance people are still debating whether plant-based diets are better for the climate or not.