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This is bizarre and macabre.
First, I want to say that I don’t care if they find tunnels in the hospital or not. Cutting patients off of electricity and medicine is not justified even if they find the massive bad-guy secret base that they say is underneath the hospital.
But on top of that, if the tunnels aren’t there… what then? Do we get an apology? Do they bring back the patients?
I’m shocked that they’re touring journalists and showing off rifles and BOOKS as evidence that this was a legitimate military target.
I want a ceasefire. I want the hostages back. And I want Gaza to have the freedom to select leadership that represents them to engage in a peace process that gives them the right of movement, education, food, and safety.
Some of the rifles the BBC has already confirmed were planted: https://twitter.com/_RichardHall/status/1725498963174752490?t=eRT8uuGerft1G0Hs9mbnjg&s=19
I really want to reiterate: it’s a waste of time to debate.
We all already know that Hamas commits war crimes, and we also already know that none of these war crimes justify Israeli crimes against humanity. Debating whether Hamas used a given hospital to store a specific gun is like debating whether I owe you $100 or $200 for dinner last week when I already owe you $50,000. Who cares’s what the bill was last week? It’s a distraction.
Here’s where we must insist on putting our attention: generations of occupation and displacement have been a disaster for Palestinians and liberal Israelis. It has only been a success for Jewish supremacists, and those people have been pulling the wool over American liberals for far, far, far too long. We need to get out of debates over any given hospital and demand new leadership in Israel that commits to ending the Israeli apartheid and expanding civil rights to the people living in the Palestinian territories illegally annexed by Israel.
They did NOT confirm that. Can you provide a quote from this video where it says that?
Even the fucking CNN, notorious for supporting the Zionist state, is picking this story up. Deny as much as you like, it won’t make things less true.
I… didn’t say that. I don’t doubt they did it, but you didn’t post a source and are making claims based on what, exactly? The BBC noted a cut in the video and that the scene could have been rearranged. Idk why you’re so up in arms.
The BBC compared the original video to the one they correspondent took and noticed that the guns had been shuffled and a new gun had been added to the pile.
If I didn’t link the full video, that’s my bad. I’m not sure how to link BBC broadcasts.
Sure but to say they outright accused Israel of planting them is wrong. Good information is already hard enough to find. They are still pussyfooting around it and took a fairly neutral and evidence based view. That is all I’m saying
A new gun was placed in the pile before it was shown to journalists.
How, exactly, do you define “planting” if that’s not it?
They’ve just forcing the evacuation on everyone there. If the hospital is then demolished, we all know they didn’t find the tunnel.
My hope is they bring back the hostage but so far there’s absolutely no solid proof that the hospital currently hold any amount of hostage, or at least already not there.
The only way we’re getting the hostages back is through negotiation. Military hostage recovery is just a euphemism for body recovery.
This building has become a central focus of Israel’s war, described as a key command centre, even potentially the “beating heart” of Hamas operations.
Israeli forces are still searching for the tunnels beneath the hospital that they believe Hamas fighters may have withdrawn to, perhaps with some of the hostages.
The BBC was not shown what was on the laptops.
In the brightly lit corridors of the MRI unit, Lieutenant Colonel Jonathan Conricus shows us three small stashes of Kalashnikovs, ammunition and bullet-proof vests - he says they have found around 15 guns in all, along with some grenades.
Lt Col Conricus also shows us some military booklets and pamphlets, and a map that he says is marked with potential entry and exit routes from the hospital.
The report of finding 15 guns is my idea of a small cache than a central military command centre.
And about those tunnels… is the IDF going to find them or are they going to dig them and say they were there?
Yeah, 15 guns in a hospital that holds thousands, in the middle of an active warzone? That’s probably the lowest density of guns in the whole of Gaza right now. Hell I’m willing to bet that if you were to search any big hospital on the planet, there’s probably 15 guns stored somewhere.
If you went to an American hospital (or a school, even), you’d probably find at least that density.
Not that it matters. But generally speaking, no you would not.
Security guards, the mandatory police officer guy, and the guns that get snuggled in.
Average America isn’t your big coastal elite city.
Many schools are gun free zones.
Gun free zones for citizens.
School resource officers, School police, normal police, are all allowed to carry weapons in American School gun-free zones.
If we talk about any public university, the campus police definitely have weapons, and they have backup weapons, and they have a weapon firing range.
These are just people whose job it is to carry weapons, this isn’t talking about people who work at the school who get policy exemptions and concealed Carry permits.
For talking about a hospital complex that houses thousands of workers, there is going to be more than 15 guns in the complex
It’s not that ubiquitous, and that pithy comment was referring to kalashnikovs, which you will find in none of those places.
Great, just many schools. This, anyway, still only applies to unauthorized guns. Authorized personnel are still allowed guns.
You’ll find more than that at a hospital in the US from the security guards. You probably won’t find grenades though.
Interview with someone at a Ukrainian hospital mentioned that one of the first things to do treating people who came from fighting was to remove all the grenades and ammo from their pockets, so that stuff would certainly be expected in any war zone hospital.
That does make sense. Don’t want your patient accidentally exploding. That would be bad bedside manner.
15 guns that the IDF has been tampering with: https://twitter.com/_RichardHall/status/1725498963174752490?t=eRT8uuGerft1G0Hs9mbnjg&s=19
This is the best summary I could come up with:
We clamber into the Al-Shifa hospital complex in darkness over a caved-in wall in the perimeter - knocked through with an armoured bulldozer on Tuesday to allow safer access for Israeli forces.
Any extra light here is risky so we grope our way through the compound, following the heavily armed troops sent to escort us - stepping around makeshift tents, debris and sleeping people.
Doctors at the hospital say they have been working without power, food or water for days now - and that critically ill patients have died as a result, including newborn babies.
In the brightly lit corridors of the MRI unit, Lieutenant Colonel Jonathan Conricus shows us three small stashes of Kalashnikovs, ammunition and bullet-proof vests - he says they have found around 15 guns in all, along with some grenades.
On the screens inside the military vehicle, the agricultural land morphed slowly into distorted streets strewn with large pieces of debris, and the blurred outlines of shattered buildings.
Just south of Gaza City, we stopped to change vehicles, clambering out on to undulating mounds of twisted metal and large chunks of rubble and concrete.
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Man, is this seriously going turn into into the Iraq has WMD boondoggle/fiasco:
“Secretary of State Colin Powell gave a presentation to the UN on February 5, 2003, in which he detailed false intelligence gatherings provided by the Israeli government regarding Iraqi WMD.”
Source 1: Senate Report on Iraqi WMD Intelligence
Source 2: Israel knew Iraq had no WMD, says MP
I forgot it was Israeli Intelligence source back then 🤔. I only remember Bush insisting there are WMDs and Colin Powell’s declaration at the UN. All of it was proven fake of course, and 20 years later it has become the biggest and most expensive Intelligence blunder.
Hopefully, I am wrong and we were smarter to verify everything before repeating the same reckless mistake.
I try to not comment on controversial issues particularly when I don’t have any qualification or first hand knowledge/experience, however this is looking more and more like an unmitigated overreaction.
When I saw the video the IDF released I kept waiting for the big reveal that never came. Just a whole lot of nothing in the hospital
