• mrcleanup@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    The one I saw was longer, they knocked at least two different times and he kept telling them off.

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      2 months ago

      But they didn’t tell him to get out of the car yet. He should have rolled down the window yes, but that’s a separate issue than Penn vs Mimms.

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        2 months ago

        Sure, but once they establish a pattern of non-compliance it doesn’t reset with each new instruction. They expect he will resist getting out of the car based on his refusal to roll down the window. At that point they have to choose whether to get him out of the car quickly, or risk non-compliance issue with that, which could involve fleeing or hitting people with his car.

        When officer or public safety are at risk they will always choose to take someone into custody to stabilize the situation and then reassess from there.

        The situation with the window can’t be separated from the treatment with the door.

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          2 months ago

          That is a policy of escalation, there is no reason to follow it. It just makes situations where this is more likely. It’s a miniscule increase in safety for an officer at a cost of massive risk to the public.

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            2 months ago

            That’s just naive. And that’s a big claim, a “massive risk” to the public, so back it up… Who got hurt in this instance?

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              2 months ago

              The three people cops killed today, the at least double that of dogs, and had Hill nor been an nfl player on game day he would probably still be in jail.