Two transgender girls can try out for and play on girls school sports teams while the teens challenge a New Hampshire ban, a federal judge ruled Tuesday.
The families of Parker Tirrell, 15, and Iris Turmelle, 14, sued in August seeking to overturn the Fairness in Women’s Sports Act that Republican Gov. Chris Sununu signed into law in July. While Turmelle doesn’t plan to play sports until December, Tirrell successfully sought an emergency order allowing her to start soccer practice last month. That order was expiring Tuesday.
In issuing a preliminary injunction, U.S. District Court Chief Judge Landya McCafferty found Tirrell and Turmelle were likely to succeed in their lawsuit. She found that the students “demonstrated a likelihood of irreparable harm” in the absence of a preliminary order.
I can understand debating whether an intersex or transgender athlete should be allowed to compete in the women’s division at the Olympic / world championship level.
But ffs do we really need to make a federal case about it in high school sports?
This isn’t about athletic performance.
Instead of having an opinion on a subject I know zero about I’ll leave it to the ppl who know about the pros and cons of Trans athletes. If you don’t know anything about it you should shut the fuck up and listen to those that do. The negative of the internet is giving merit to ppl who know fuck all about what they’re taking about
What do you need to know? It’s a high school team, not the Olympics. Why wouldn’t the default always be inclusion? High school is a tough time for a lot of kids, and I’d imagine it’s more difficult for most trans kids. If participating in sports makes it 5% easier, then so be it.
In theory, I agree, but the reality is not that simple. There aren’t enough resources for everyone to play on every team, so there is selection, and tons of kids in high school pin their future hopes on doing well in sports. It’s ridiculous, and I hate the fact that school sports are so competitive as a result, but that’s the world we live in. Nobody is allowed to just play for fun. So as long as someone thinks their kid might be excluded or overshadowed because some other kid is “cheating”, there will continue to be conflict. It’s another aspect of the zero sum mentality.
While I guess areas may be different, the high school I went to, and also the area I now live in, have varsity and JV teams. You had to be good enough to make varsity, but no one got cut from JV. Just belonging on a team is enough for some kids to make it all bearable. Everyone mentions scholarships, but how often is this honestly actually an issue?
Not just how often is scholarship but how many trans kids are even gonna apply to teams for this to be a problem. Judging by how much some people bitch and moan it almost seems like every single team in the world is getting overrun as we speak by trans athletes. Also why the fuck is the ‘party of small government’ getting involved by passing laws about this, leave it to the fucking commission of each sport once it reaches that level where it matters, they can put it to a vote and handle it or whatever the fuck they wanna do.
the pros and cons of Trans athletes
Pro: Kids have fun playing together.
Con: Literally every single professional athlete will become trans so they can win at sports.
If you don’t know anything about it you should shut the fuck up and listen to those that do.
I remember folks from Phillip Morse saying this about smoking, then bringing out a congo-line of quacks to prove it. Then we repeated this with the Exxon shills denying climate change for thirty years.
Maybe I’m getting tired of being lied to by professionals.
Con: Literally every single professional athlete will become trans so they can win at sports.
Please tell me I’m missing the sarcasm here 🙄🤦♀️
What experts do you think are lying about trans people?
What experts do you think are lying about trans people?
British pediatrician Hilary Cass, just for starters
That is true.
Did I miss the sarcasm or do you really think ANYONE would/could transition just for supposed gains in sports, let alone EVERYONE? They would have to take hormones that make them permanently infertile for over a year and proceed with a social transition all to convince a regulatory body that they are trans (and all of this would be incredibly difficult on their non-trans minds), and they would lose an incredible amount of muscle mass which typically athletes… Wouldn’t want
do you really think ANYONE would/could transition just for supposed gains in sports, let alone EVERYONE?
No, that was pure sarcasm.
Even at the most practical level, there are easier and more effective ways to cheat at sports. But the hysteria around this thing that has never actually happened happening consistently means we need to pretend its a problem to soothe the nerves of people who are well past the point of competing in anything.
But the Cass Report shit was sincere. The amount of lying that went into structuring an argument for denying young people any form of bodily autonomy is staggering. Its going to go down in history like phrenology did. But we’re going to be forced to treat it as seriously as the Hutus and the Tutsies were forced to treat a guy with calipers, because this pseudoscience is being enshrined into British national law.
I’m sure at least one person would, even if just to prove a point. There is almost always an exception.
So what is a transgender girl? Born with dude fuck tools but born with dudette feel tools? Was the slim Jim wrestler competing in women sports south park episodes an actual possibility? I don’t have kids and any nieces, nephews, 2nd cousins or friends kids I’m close enough to care about this shit for isn’t old enough to be on the conversational radar of the parents yet.
Edit: To add further context to avoid pissing anyone off for being dumb, I live in the rural US so limited exposure to all the varieties of peeps. No social media. Don’t watch any TV that isn’t a child’s cartoon with niece or family guy type cartoon so for me its cartoon or die. I’m all for learning about new shit. The problem is there is so much new shit to learn I don’t always have time to learn about all shit until it has some relevance to something I encountered.
So before I explain, it’s important to keep in mind that for these discussions I’m adhering to the separation of “gender” and “sex” as different terms. Your sex is your physical attributes, and your gender is a mental thing-- do you see yourself as a boy or a girl (or, as some people do, something different from both of those options-- I’ll stick to the two main genders here).
This means that transgender girls are people who were “assigned male at birth” (they have a male sex / their appearance caused people to treat them as a boy) and later realized that they see themselves as girls. They may or may not have physically transitioned (ie. changed sex), or may be in a state of partial transition (since genitalia, hormones, and some other things all make up sex, and those can disagree).
TL;DR: A transgender girl was born physically male, now considers themselves to be female, and may or may not have physically transitioned to match that new identity.
I appreciate you taking the time to look into this! It can definitely get complicated, especially if you start looking into edge cases, and in some regions it’s pretty rare to meet someone like this IRL, so natural exposure can be low.
Edit: As a useful guide I’ll also give a short list of transgender-related acronyms:
- AMAB = Assigned male at birth
- AFAB = Assigned female at birth
- FTM = Female-to-Male (transitioned to male, aka “trans man”)
- MTF = Male-to-Female (transitioned to female, aka “trans woman”)
- HRT = Hormone Replacement Therapy (taking hormones to promote physical changes to align your sex with your preferred gender)
