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      I think that’s an understandable position, given their situation. They’re receiving a lot of military support from the US, so it’s not surprising that they’d at least be cautious about taking a position that might harm ties with the US.

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              can you explain in detail how you came to the conclusion that i meant ‘by cuba’, because im genuinely interested

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                You said:

                how many of those are currently suffering an invasion

                (by “those” i meant US vassals)

                It’s pretty clear you somehow counted Ukraine being invaded by Russia as reason for Ukraine to not oppose the murderous embargo on Cuba, unrelated country on the other side of the world.

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                  Yeah, why would Ukraine not upset the US when continued support for their country’s defense is currently being debated in congress?

                  It’s a real head scratcher.

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                Stop being obtuse. Why would Ukraine be even hostile to Cuba to the point of not opposing the murderous embargo? The only reason is to bootlick USA.

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                  Ukraine’s ability to defend itself from Putin’s “special military operation” directly depends on continued financial and military support from the US.

                  It’s not bootlicking, it’s a rational decision to avoid making waves with US foreign policy that doesn’t involve Ukraine at all.

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    8 months ago

    It feels very cool to buy hand soap or whatever at the grocery store and see the box is stamped ‘made in Iran / DPRK / Vietnam’ though

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    Of course.

    Fuck this country.

    Never voting for a democrat or republican again. They’re all scum.

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      Aye that’ll solve it.

      Trump actively increased sanctions while biden reduced them. They’re both shitty, but let’s not pretend they’re the same.

      Not voting at all makes it easier for the vastly worse party to consolidate power.

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        Not voting at all makes it easier for the vastly worse party to consolidate power.

        There is only one party: the party of the ruling class.

        The bickering between democrats and republicans is just a show to distract people while making them think their side is making progress.

        Both sides are just looking out for rich people. This will be true until we can get money out of politics.

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          You’re right that the US’s democracy is deeply flawed. Criticising and discussing how politicians are influenced, and the systems that allow it is great and valuable, especially when those systems are used to influence both major parties.

          But to pretend that every single politician is part of some hive mind run by a shadowy cabal, rather than a set of individuals with their own beliefs and aspirations is not only falling prey to conspiracy theories, but also massively damages your ability to actually understand how the systems work, and how its flaws can be mitigated. At the end of the day, regardless of what else may be influencing them, politicians still have to be elected by the citizens.

          Opting out of being involved in politics, not voting and just letting the universe run its course doesn’t solve the problems or stick it to the man, it only takes away your small piece of influence.

          If you don’t vote, politicians don’t care about you

          So vote, protest, have conversations with people about your views and listen to theirs. That’s the only way the system will work better for the people.

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            it’s not a “shadowy cabal”, it’s the ruling class, aka the bourgeois class, the owners of the means of production. capitalism’s flaws cannot be mitigated because it’s because of these flaws that the system itself can exist (exploitation of workers in different degrees, exploitation of the 3rd world, revenue concentration in the hands of a few, wars and misery etc etc)

            the system won’t work well for the people because that’s the whole point of the system’s existence since its inception. it works for a particular class and only that class. the problem isn’t Democrats vs Republicans, it’s capitalism vs the working class. you don’t have to vote, you have to join worker’s unions, a socialist/communist party, be an activist, and when duty calls, participate in the revolution that is to come. the only real material change comes when the working class takes power and actually makes way for changes in the socioeconomic status of the country/world. I suggest reading some of Marx’s work

            With that said, I do agree that in some aspects the Democrats are “better”, such as LGBT rights and such, but that could be 10 times better if the people were actually in charge instead of a few rich lobbyists.

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              I get what you’re saying in theory, but even then the “owning class” is a large group of people that are not working together for anything. They all independently influence whomever they want and it’s the disproportionate amount of power they hold in that respect that is the issue (money.)

              It’s no wonder though that the majority of the “owning class” that we really see as problematic in their nature (think Koch’s, Musk, Adelson, Russian oligarchs via the NRA, etc) all support Republicans. Those that support Democrats tend to be better people as far as what they do with their money for society (Think: Gates, but not always: Bezos).

              Edit: 50/50 wasn’t really worth the comment so I’ll just strike through instead of delete lol

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      By imposing sanctions on more and more Global South countries, the US is effectively embargoing itself.

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    In all seriousness, who does the embargo really benefit. Maybe it made sense during the Cold War when missiles were getting moved around, but now? Someone somewhere must be profiting from it, but it’s not the American people.

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      Wikipedia » Political positions of Noam Chomsky » Views on institutions » Criticism of United States government

      His conclusion is that a consistent part of the United States’ foreign policy is based on stemming the “threat of a good example.” This ‘threat’ refers to the possibility that a country could successfully develop outside the US-managed global system, thus presenting a model for other countries, including countries in which the United States has strong economic interests.

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      No one is, but my understanding is that banana companies stand to lose a ton of money if Cuba’s “”“debt”“” to the US is forgiven. Iirc Cuba has a significant outstanding debt with the US after they successfully overthrew their banana republic, because fruit companies got pissed off and shit themselves when Cuba told them to fuck off and seized their land. Said companies then went to the US government and bitched and moaned about not being able to use pseudo-slave labor for bananas anymore and the US government said, “oh, poor guys, they just wanted to grow bananas and get rich” and told Cuba it now owes the companies that were operating in Cuba a fuck ton of money. If the US government hadn’t whored out to banana companies, Cuba would probably be our weirdo little brother with strange ideas about what proper government should look like.

      It honestly weirds me out that tankies love to suck Putin and Pooh’s dick when Cuba is just right there and seems to be doing socialism right (I’ve heard Vietnam has been doing pretty well too, and genuinely likes the US despite the US-Vietnam war^1 ). My understanding is that the reason why Cuba struggles with quality of life is mainly a result of the US embargo. Hell, recently they passed a law regarding LGBT people which is supposedly one of the most progressive, if not the most progressive, set of protections for people who are LGBT in the world. Not only that, but supposedly it was the result of Cuban citizens (not politicians) getting together and deciding, collectively, that they needed better protections for people who are LGBT and received a large majority of support.

      What the fuck are you doing tankies? Why are you sucking Putin’s cock when Cuba’s over here being cool?


      ^1 I’ve been told that Vietnamese people see the war as validating (they went up against the biggest military in the world and won) and also understand that a lot of the soldiers deployed by the US didn’t actually want to be there, which is why they generally have a positive view of Americans.

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          Also “tankies” like cuba. So do leftists, and pretty much every one who doesn’t simp for capitalism. I’m pretty sure that Mossy Feathers strawman actually likes Cuba too.