• stella@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    “There are no good guys with guns.”

    also

    “Cops are useless.”

    You see, this is why nobody takes sentiments like yours seriously. If you can’t defend yourself, and don’t have others to protect you, then you’ll always be at the mercy of whoever is the strongest.

    Something tells me all the ‘guns and cops are bad’ people don’t know how to fight.

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      1 year ago

      I’ve been looking at your other comments and have some things to say.

      1. Clearly your your out of your mind defending cops on Lemmy.world, for real when is calling the cops ever not put you the caller in a new type of danger? Fools with guns is bad regardless of the context and I for one cannot trust someone I have never met, especially the armed paramilitary we call police here in America.

      2. Nice 'something tells me comment, always makes someone’s comments feel real sincere.

      3. Most people can’t defend themselves, that’s reality. I’m actually pro gun but anti-idiot, and most people are idiots and that deeply complicates your arguments.

      Thanks for coming to my Ted talk, I’m not a professional nor frankly good at most things, if you have problems with my arguments please, comment it don’t save it to yourself.

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          I sure as fuck don’t wait around for the cops to show up and decide I’m the threat and kill me while the guy breaking into my house has been gone for 20 minutes.

          I’ll defend myself how I see fit and the cops will only be called if it results in death.

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            1 year ago

            Do you think you would have a better chance at defending yourself with a gun?

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              Personally, I think if someone broke into my house, it would be dark…I’d have probably just been woken from a dead sleep. There will be dogs barking…possibly kids also just woken from a dead sleep who are now scared and either calling for me or running towards me. There’s no way I can put myself between my family and the bad guys in that situation. If I just start shooting, I’m liable to be shooting in the general direction of a pet or child. Even in the very best scenario, where somehow my kids, my pets, my wife, and my MIL who lives with us all happen to be in my bedroom in the middle of the night I’m still very likely to just shout that we’re armed and the police are on the way. Whether they steal a TV or I shoot a TV still results in me needing a new TV…but I also know that statistically, even me having a gun in my home escalates an already tense situation where I’ll be groggy but hopped up on adrenaline and not be a reliable shot. Even if it played out how folks like to imagine… one shot, one kill, I’ve still taken a life in front of my family. That’ll result in years of therapy for all of us. I’d rather just get a new TV or whatever. We’re more likely to get struck by lightning as a family than have a Richard Ramirez type who broke into the house just to kill us, and it’s more likely still that I’ll get depressed and use the gun on myself than it is that I’ll successfully defend my family with it.

              I say all that as someone with military firearms training, family members in the local PD, and as someone who’s been woken up in the middle of the night by an emergency (in that case, our house was on fire).

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      I don’t recall saying cops are useless. Are you sure you’re replying to the right person?

      The police do illustrate over and over again that even trained professionals make bad decisions when issued guns. And of course the solution isn’t to escalate things by raising the threat of officers being shot, but instead in finding ways to have less people with guns, so police aren’t on alert all the time and aren’t as tempted to use their guns as their only solution.

      As a thought experiment: If we gave every adult in the world access to fire the entire planet’s nuclear payload and destroy everyone, do you think we’d all be safer? Would the world even last 5 minutes?

      The more people you give access to deadly weapons, the more likely you are going to run into someone who is stupid, impulsive, or downright crazy and is going to use that weapon to harm themselves or others.

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        so police aren’t on alert all the time

        I got pulled over for not seeing a stop sign at night in a bad neighborhood. I remember the young cop watching my hands with the flashlight and the light was shaking slightly while I searched for my registration.

        That was not an enjoyable experience for me or him and it shouldn’t have to be anything except mildly annoying. He shouldn’t be thinking that I am ready to kill him and I shouldn’t be worried that he will make a mistake and me getting shot.

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        I think you’re asking the wrong questions.

        You should be asking if society is safer if people have guns than if they don’t. Of course, answering this isn’t so simple because which society matters.

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            Every developed nation with strict gun control is safer.

            Lots of rural America is still very underdeveloped. The only protection these people have from threats is the protection they can provide themselves.

            This is what I mean by ‘which society matters.’ There are many differences between nations than just their gun laws.

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              I think you’re confusing “rural America” with a movie called “Mad Max”.

              Which would have been safer without guns.

              In any case, it sounds like what you mean to say is “the lawless hellscapes of the USA need to be civilized by an accountable organisation of some kind”, not “guns fix everything, hyuck”.

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          Society is never safer with guns, and the more society you have the fewer guns you need.

          If you live in barbarism, sure, you might need a gun, but barbarism is antithetical to a healthy society.

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      I don’t think cops are useless, I think they are a flawed institution that we as a society can fix by reforms. And I don’t even see the big deal in this, nothing is perfect, everything can be made better or more appropriate for the situation. Long run it would be better for police unions to agree to some changes in training, scope, and methods because it would restore and gain more public trust. And the public will benefit as well.