So many people I know through the workplace have done the Myers Briggs nonsense and hold onto their persona like a badge of pride. They’re well meaning, intelligent people who don’t know the background of MB and how it’s as scientifically rigorous as those paper chatterboxes we made in school to help you find out which boy you were going to marry by picking a colour.
I don’t say anything when people bring it up. I also have a few star sign friends. Sigh.
I remember when this nonsense was new and all the rage… I took a full online test, like 200 questions, about 6 different times over about 3 months.
Turns out, the test results changed a lot depending on my current mood, recent experiences and stress level.
It baffles me that still to this day even many professionals and business people think this has any merit.
People who unironically believe in astrology are worse though. Which is a shame, because seemingly nearly everyone on a dating app of any kind is basically either a religious conservative, or a weed addicted astrology believing ‘leftist’.
I take them for shits and gigles when I’m bored. I always got the same result.
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Sure, but a lot of people have also ‘heard’ that mbti is not scientifically valid and go around parroting that without any knowledge of what specifically science says about it.
It is entirely possible that outside of a scientific discipline, mbti works well enough for people to use.
Kind of like how we use the term “meme” and understand what it means but the concept of memes are not used in science because other models of cultural evolution have better explanatory power.
Totally agree - just because MBTI is all made up, doesn’t mean it can’t be helpful for people! I think it still holds value since it helps people recognize their strengths and their differences from others. Anecdotally, I have definitely been on work teams where it has led to greater collaboration and mutual respect!
Astrology can be fine as long as you don’t take it too seriously. It’s not much different than a favorite color or lucky numbers.
Favorite color is a faaaar cry from astrology and “lucky numbers”.
feng shui would disagree.
also my computer should face the east in the spring time in order to get the most of my blessings.
Okay so say feng shui or whatever, not “favorite color”.
Feng shui has colors and elements and numbers and orientations and all of that. Shapes. They do have that too.
It’s a rabbit hole. Believe me.
Again, okay, whatever. What I was saying “having a favourite color” and “feng shui” is a totally different thing.
Clearly you are ignorant of what you say. It shows.
Clearly you are ignorant of what you say. It shows.
After a couple of Myers-Briggs tests I wound up on a web forum for self-identified INTJs. It was the smuggest, most insufferable place I’d ever seen, to the point that I gave different answers next time to nudge me into another category.
I always wondered how this scale matches up with nerodivergent communities and even brain injuries etc. It’s obviously a bit like a horoscope, but still fun to see.
At the very minimum, at least it’s based on something tangible about you as a person over horoscopes. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still dumb and effectively useless but it could be worse
Might be worth waiting for a couple decades without a major replication crisis in your field of study before holding academic rigor over the heads of others but go off king
Glass house level: Psych PhD
as a philosophy and sociology nerd myself (i.e. not at all qualified) i will simply say that there are many better alternatives.
The big five is a pretty good one, a lot of people like it, i really like the enneagram. It’s really broad but incredibly specific at the same time, does a pretty good job at concatenating behaviors down into traits.
Other than that, stop taking personality tests. Start quantifying your own behaviorism’s, it’s fun, just don’t take it seriously.
The idea of taking a complicated system and boiling it down to an essential value (or set of values) that describe everything is high-key fascism. It’s fine to simplify a system to better understand it, but the moment you start saying these abstractions have any kind of predictive capability outside their original contexts, that’s when you start getting into the eugenics shit.
That escalated fast.
I think to a lot of people things like astrology, Myers Briggs types and rock magic are mostly an aid that helps them to more easily process what they’re thinking and feeling, and also feel as though they have an outlet for those thoughts and feelings.
9 out of 10 times, they know its not “real”, you’re not really achieving much by yucking their yum. I say this as someone who doesn’t believe in or engage with any of those things.
(I also fully acknowledge that the tweet is a double whammy joke that puts the author in on it as well)
These intentions are all well and good until an employer requires you to take a Myers Briggs test and you’re turned down from a job because of it. I don’t have any issue with someone reading their horoscope to try and understand their own feelings and emotions, I have a pretty massive issue with anyone trying to use pseudoscience nonsense to make serious decisions.
