I’m not antivegan, and implying you have some secret evidence to the contrary is both false and bullying.

I’m not antivegan

they were selectively bred to provide milk for us.

the only thing dairy milk is “meant” for is “whatever the farmer wants”. it could meant to drink or sell or give to the calves.

you are stretching definitions to meaninglessness. no one likes torture.

where are the animals it prevented from dying?

I derailed any possible discussion about “Plants feel pain” before it ever came up

it seems you strongly prefer to attack things I haven’t said than to deal with what I do say

I can’t eat corncobs or stalks. feeding it to cattle so I can eat cheese and beef is a conservation of resources

none of what you said addresses the facts that I raised. you are attacking things I didn’t say and positions I don’t hold.

Here have a look at some frail vegans, while the world burns, mate:

your dunk-brained links to Reddit are not getting clicked

the same crops that feed animals feed people. they eat fodder and industrial waste from the same fields that produce food that people eat. it’s a conservation of resources.

how do you measure crops if not by crop calories?

what I’m reading is that I’m right, and you would like to shift the discussion to land use

I just want people in c/science to stick to scientifically provable claims

this is a science community. it’s reasonable to expect people to provide good science.

you can’t prove that plants don’t have feelings.

this is just more poore-nemecek, a paper debunked by its own citations

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/3/034015/pdf

it’s stated explicitly in the papers cited by poore-nemecek. all you need to do is read

if the source material can’t convince you, then live in ignorance