Or just oligarch or power addict. In the eyes of most people, wealth is about luxury, material goods and fancy toys. Of course that’s part of it, but at a certain point, wealth is no longer about luxury and toys, it’s about power and having control over resources everyone else depends on.

Again, my point isn’t that poor people are happy or happier than the wealthy. My point is that our system doesn’t even beneft those who are (supposed to be) in charge. They think it does, but it’s more like an addiction that controls and destroys them.

Nah, there is definitely a truth to this. I grew up in a working class family who moved into a wealthier region at some point and I would never trade places with people who grew up wealthy. Pretty much all wealthy people are constantly unhappy, are obsessed with control to the point where they alienate their families, they are constantly scared of losing their control, status and wealth, constantly paranoid towards everything and everyone and often engage in self-destructive behaviour.

Of course, not having enough money sucks, it generates stress and restricts autonomy. But a similar thing happens at a certain level of wealth.

But I’d think recovering nazis are frequently “people who say some anti-semitic stuff sometimes.”

Sure, or racist stuff. But antisemitism, racism and sexism are unfortunately not just limited to nazis, there are plenty of other people who say anti semitic, racist, homophobic and sexist stuff.

And I don’t like it when people call all racists nazis because in my view, a Nazi is a specific and extreme version of racist. And of course all forms of racism are bad, but some are way way worse than others.

Individuals or small teams running instances which don’t take money don’t need to comply to GDPR.

Are you sure about that? So if I hosted a website that shows your name and address, you could do nothing to make me take it down because I’m not an organisation or company?

Well that depends on the comment, doesn’t it? As far as I understand it, if I posted personal information about you, such as your name, home address, etc, in a comment, you could demand from the admin to remove that comment as it would contain personal information you don’t want in the open.

You have to keep in mind, this is about protecting people’s health and lives.

And just to be clear, Nazis aren’t people who say some anti-semitic stuff sometimes. Nazis hurt and kill people. If an organisation manages to help a neo-nazi leave their gang, but that person still holds some anti-semitic views, that’s still a win and anyone who disagrees has some weird priorities in my view…

Would it be better if that person completely dropped those views? Of course, but I prefer a rambling racist 100 times to a neo-nazi throwing molotovs into a refugee home or attacking people in general.

I think right now, there are a lot of passionate old school reddit users on lemmy who are exited about it and eager to participate and who are finding a lot of things they were missing from reddit.

The community is a lot smaller and made up largely of enthusiasts.

With the idea of self-hosted decentralized servers also comes a responsibility. With sites like reddit, the corporation behind it is responsible for everything, including moderating potentially illegal content. With lemmy, this is on the individual servers to handle.

I think it’s a bit silly to get all dramatic and say stuff like “Well, guess it’s back to making separate accounts for everything!” just because instances allowing potentially illegal cp are to be de-federated…

I think things will probably slow down a bit again after the initial euphoria is over, but yes, I think this has brought a lot of attention to Fediverse alternatives.

This didn’t happen because of ideology or differing views, this happened because the beehawk admins want a heavily moderated community and at the moment, they cannot do that due to too many users joining lemmy.

I’m not a lemmy admin, there were some who argued that there were better ways to address those issues, but that’s their reasoning for this, according to them, temporary de-federalisation.

Sure, there are smaller instances that don’t vet, but according to the beehawk admins, they aren’t an issue in terms of moderation, probably because of their small size. If other instances were to cause an immense need for increased moderation, I’m sure they will defederate from them as well.

Also the admins made it clear that this is supposed to be a temporary action until they are able to effectively moderate their community according to their rules and goals.

Thank you for your explanation. If it can easily be done, blocking users from lemmy.world seems like the obvious solution then.

I think there was a post made by the admins that basically explained that their technical knowhow is limited and that they are overwhelmed with the situation, perhaps this choice was done because of lack of knowledge.

@AgentGoldfish

In my opinion, this is an extraordinarily dumb act by the beehaw instance owners. It’s worse for beehaw users than for us, and will likely result in many beehaw users leaving that instance.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding something, but how is it “worse for them”? Sure, if your goal is to create a big community, it’s obviously bad, and perhaps it will lead to the death of that community. But their main goal isn’t growth, it’s having a “save space” and highly moderated community.

In your opinion, how should they have acted to achieve that goal when according to them, they are not able to moderate that much content at the moment in a way they want to? Lemmy.world allows any user to register without any vetting and is one of the biggest communities, does it not make sense to temporarily block content from here to decrease the amount of content to moderate?

They where told ehrnt hry come to lemmy that they can see all post and commryfeom every instant.

An important part of federation is that you can freely choose who you want to federate with and who not.

S popular defederates.snd that makes people wonder.

Why does it make people wonder when they did a great job explaining why they made their decision and even made a post warning people that they might have to defederate?

But also ok the flip side Reddit mods can ban people and make the sub private and no one can do anything about it…

And that’s the entire point of the whole thing… The entire point is that anyone can create a community that they can run however they want (as long as it doesn’t impact other communities)… Moderation isn’t a bad thing, it’s a necessary thing… Nobody wants illegal pornography and harmful material on their servers…

And beehawk is and always has been very open about them wanting to be a safe space community with strong moderation… They openly state that their entire motivation for creating their community is to have much stronger moderation than in other social media sites…

Excuse me? I support the beehawk admin’s decisions, it’s a very sensible decision that I suspect other instances will have to seriously consider soon as well because moderation will be an important issue very soon.

My point is that the commenter I replied to and many users who are complaining about this decision, about how “it splits the community in two” and about how “this is classic reddit behaviour” are acting a bit entitled as they don’t seem to be aware of the immense problems that come with moderation, especially when you do it as a hobby…

The main issue with an instance such as lemmy.world is that they don’t vet people at all. Beehawk manually approves their users, but that becomes kinda pointless when anyone can just create an account on lemmy.world and then go post on beehawk.

they are way too uptight.

I don’t get why people have such a hard time seeing how hard effective moderation of 100’000s of people is… The people running lemmy aren’t companies or businesses, they are hobbyists… They do all the administration and moderation in their spare time… Taking care of the server cost is one thing, but moderation is no joke… Especially when the tools provided are also build by hobbyists who have been building this in their spare time as well…

And it’s better to act when you notice that you cannot effectively moderate when things are relatively harmless… Because what happens when trolls notice that they cannot moderate effectively and actually post harmful content, like threats, cp, etc?

Isn’t that a bit entitled? Reddit was a company who made money with their users, but Lemmy isn’t run by a company, it’s run by volunteers. Running a small server is one thing, but who is going to moderate content from 100’000s of users, content generated by an instance that doesn’t even have any basic restrictions on it’s userbase? What if a large group of people start spamming illegal shit? What if there is suddenly cp showing up on your server instance? Who is going to deal with that, what are the legal implications for that?

One might assume they quit their server, but they didn’t… They just temporarily disabled federation because they feel that they don’t have the capabilities to moderate that many users… You can still apply for a local account on their instance, you can still browse their content without an account…

EDIT: You can even still browse content from beehawk and comment on it, but comments made from lemmy.world will not be visible by beehawk.

I think there is a strong difference between people who were on reddit before and after 2016. People who joined after were already used to the official app and new website design, they don’t know anything else, so they tend not to care.

There are also a lot of lurkers and casual browsers, they also tend not to care.

The ones who do care a are very loud about it is mainly the old school hardcore members who did not have an official reddit app and who never got used to the new design