But I didn’t just say there was a cease fire, I declared it… What don’t they understand about that?

Economics is basically horoscopes for old rich white dudes. They veil their practice in “scientific” language/mathematical models and then have the audacity to make claims like “future consumption should be discounted simply because it takes place in the future and people generally prefer the present to the future (inherent discounting)” or create models on the assumption that growth is forever sustainable in a closed system with inherently limited natural resources.

Really is concerning that society has yet to break free from the influence of sooth sayers. There really isn’t much of a difference between the leaders of states listening to an economics major or listening to a young girl getting high on volcanic fumes at the temple of Delphi.

Lol, I didn’t even notice how fat that magazine was.

Lol, I would think this picture was a complete joke if bath salts Joe Rogan cosplaying as wolverine wasn’t there as well. My dude is rocking a carbine with X50 scope indoors…

Lol, what part of her comment was an hominem, how did she infantalize anyone?

His response was inappropriate and completely avoided her points. Telling a woman to watch their tone is about as common as a misogynistic dog whistle as you can find.

Just because he didn’t call her a slur doesn’t mean he wasn’t being an asshole. The substance of his response was more offensive than any ad hominem.

I dont respect anyone defending sexism, so throwing ad hominems at incels is fine with me. I also don’t care about the opinions of misogynist, so please fuck off and go be a disappointment to your mother elsewhere, thanks.

Edit: oh I thought it was some once defending you, you were the fuckface in the original post. Yeah you can go fuck yourself, Lord knows you’re never going to find someone else to do it for you.

Biden just followed through with what was negotiated with the Taliban by the former Trump administration. If the US doesn’t follow through we lose credibility in all future negotiations with everyone.

I am skeptical of the claim that we had any credibility to lose in respect to our dealings in Afghanistan. Plus, our negotiations weren’t with the Taliban, they weren’t in control of the country until we extracted. Our dealings were with the former Afghan government who weren’t in favour of the expedited process.

What you’re complaining about is the fact that Trump et all made an agreement to pull out the troops within a certain (completely unreasonable) timeline. They had no idea WTF they were doing and obviously didn’t do due diligence or any sort of logistics planning for such a withdrawal before making the agreement.

And knowing that the Biden administration still rammed through the pull out. It’s not like delaying the pull out of Afghanistan didn’t already have a precedent.

What do you think makes us look worse on the global stage…? A slight and understandable delay in moving our troops out, or completely abandoning our partners to a regime that everyone knew was going to hunt them and their families down in retribution?

You are pretending as if geopolitics is completely devoid of nuance.

you think that sounds like bullshit let me ask you this: Does Trump ever do due diligence on anything? During his first administration nearly all his executive orders got thrown out because they were deemed arbitrary and capricious and during his second administration it looks like we’re getting the same exact situation.

Again, I fail to see how that makes the Biden administration seem competent if they chose to proceed with something they knew was going to be a shit show.

My point was that it was a shit show, and that both administrations are in some way responsible for it.

Not that I’m a fan of any of America’s modern wars, but the way we pulled out of Afghanistan was just above and beyond a shit show. We spent over a decade running around with our dicks in our hands, and when its finally time to end the farce we decide that it has to be done virtually overnight.

I’m not one to normally “both sides” Democrats and Republicans, but imo bidens refusal to change the withdrawal does lend evidence to that argument, at least when it comes to certain foreign policy. We fucked over the country, but worse of all we fucked over the people who actually believed in whatever good will we were selling them on.

I volunteer with an organization that connects healthcare providers like myself with Afghan refugees. When they came over here they didn’t have access to social security numbers, programs like Medicaid or Medicare, or even Tricare. They were basically being brought with what they could carry and then dumped in section 8 housing in some of the roughest neighborhoods in the area.

My friend Mahmud was a translator who had been blown up in an IED attack while serving with our military. I met him because he was trying to find a job without papers, but had a hard time keeping up with his work because he had severe drop foot because he was missing the anterior of his calf muscle.

His wife, himself, and their 6 beautiful children were living in a rundown two bedroom apartment, and even though they had virtually nothing they were gracious host. They basically force fed me tea and what little food they were provided to live off of.

This article is just another example of the government wiping its hand of any responsibility when we decide to make war. Mahmud and his family are doing so much better now, but it’s only because we have a very active Islamic community that has taken the responsibility over caring for these families. Things like this make me embarrassed to be an American citizen.

If you ever have the chance to befriend an person from Afghanistan, I highly recommend it. Be warned, you will basically be kidnapped and forced to eat more food than you can handle, they are an aggressively loving people.

I’m literally fucking gaslight by being told I don’t have ADHD, told my stomach issues are just because I eat fast, planning is stupid and other incredibly dumb shit. I have to listen to an anti-waxxer father talk shit for over an hour.

What does that have to do with your gender? These are problems we all go through because our healthcare system is failing because they put profits before people.

I had to watch friends sprout sigma shit, called a woman I brought into the server “the huzz”, and called me a fucking pussy. Actually, I don’t have to deal with your bullshit either.

Sounds like you have shitty sexist friends… Again I fail to see how that has anything to do with misandry. That’s toxic masculinity, not misandry. You aren’t being targeted because you are male, you are being targeted because your shithole friends don’t see you as male enough.

Saying “it’s us, men” (to rule the world) is inherently a narrative that avoid discussing the class division,

I wasn’t the one who claimed white young men were being systemically oppressed… If you are examining class division through gender then it is an impossible topic to avoid.

You can’t have it both ways. I’ve been saying the whole time it doesn’t make sense to examine class struggle through the lens of gender, my claim about “us men” was made to highlight the contradictory nature of the original claim.

because being a man is not being part of a social class.

That is what I’ve been saying the whole time…

The reason I brought it up was to dispel the claim that white men were being specifically targeted in the first place.

Did you not read the context of the post?

maybe it feels like oppression because it is.

Oppression being committed by who exactly? What demographic currently holds the reigns of power in our governmental and economic hierarchy?

Nobody in this thread has their mind open to the possibility that structural changes disadvantaging (young, predominantly white) men can happen even when other groups are continuing to be held back.

What you don’t understand is that if they are coming for young white men now, it’s only because they’ve run out of minorities to disenfranchise. So if everyone nis getting abused now…it’s a class struggle.

The reason no one is responding to the blooming problems of young white men is because those have been problems everyone else has already been experiencing. And guess what, the majority of young white men didn’t ever want to hear about the problems of everyone else.

Now that you are experiencing the same issue…does this make you more empathetic to the troubles of your fellow workers…No, you bitch and moan about anyone trying to say it’s not just a problem for young white men. You still care nothing about class solidarity, you just want to bitch about your own demographic being kicked out of the free treat club.

my take on my own contributions. Note that those didn’t include “defending some guy”, it really was an exhaustive list.

An exhaustive list of babying and validating young men who are being radicalized. You aren’t challenging their beliefs, you’re just patting yourself on the back for being tolerant of the intolerable. Which is ironic for someone who seems to be obsessed with an analogy about high horses.

your dead horse

Lol, because you keep beating it with a stick. Try a new analogy never once and a while.

And as usual, in an act of irony, men are the biggest misandrist, and my biggest source of pain

I think you’re confusing misandry with people just not liking you. It’s exceedingly rare for men to be harassed or oppressed simply for their gender.

I don’t like this social contract where I get fucked over no matter what

Lol, what are you talking about? Everyone keeps saying this shit, but no one is giving any real world examples. I am a man, if there is some social contract that sets men up to lose, why am I not experiencing it? I’m married, I have friends who are women, I work with several women, I don’t have any problems with the opposing sex? Maybe it’s a you problem and not a societal one?

I’m just going to abandon it, and lead a massive exile with me. I already have a solar panel, and plan to get more.

Lol, your username is apt. You think you’re going to be the Moses of incels and lead a bunch of morons off to the woods with nothing but a solar panel?

hope you realize how alienating a sentence like this is, for someone who is as stomped by society as many women are.

How? How am I alienating anyone by telling them something they already know?

This narrative is exactly what prevents any form of class solidarity

What the fuck are you talking about? Did you not read the rest of the post… My point was that if being a man isn’t the inherent source of your struggle then it must not be the real problem…the real problem is class war.

You don’t believe in equality, PERIOD. Because people like you oppose women being drafted.

Wrong fuck face, I don’t believe in the draft for men or women.

You also deny systemic misandry like the alimony laws & even support policies like abolishing prisons for women & reduced sentencing for women & only women.

The majority of law makers are men, the majority of judges are men, the majority of law enforcement officers are men… How is men making rules that you perceive to negatively affect men = misandry?

There are multiple documented evidences of feminists shaming men into getting drafted while they get to be safe & secure & one of their excuses was “We have a crisis in masculinity”

Lol, you really think the white feathers was a feminist movement?

Finland has a women-majority govt](https://www.forbes.com/sites/carmenniethammer/2019/12/12/finlands-new-government-is-young-and-led-by-women-heres-what-the-country-does-to-promote-diversity/), of course the diversity part is a lie.

“Moreover, almost half (47%) of the country’s” having a woman as the leader doesn’t mean they have the majority. You’re either lying or you can’t fucking read.

I like that you posted an article praising the quality of living and equity in a country and think it helps your argument.

EU is led by feminists & BTW, pandering to women is also feminism, there are literally reserved seats for women & a male-only draft. These are all Equity to you huh

Lol, I don’t think you know what equity, feminism, or majority means.

like how you’re putting in so much effort into pushing the narrative that it’s men who do it, when the biggest warmongers just so happen to be women & there’s not a single word of opposition to the draft by feminists.

Lol, name a time in modern history where a woman was the leader of a nation who started a war…

Like the White-feather movement being nationalistic, yet it was still women who shamed men into fighting the war (women didn’t want to go to war & even today women as a whole are opposed to conscription for women)

And you think I like the white feathers? Being a feminist doesn’t mean you support every decision of every woman… That’s just insane. That would be like me blaming every man, for WW2 because Hitler was a dude.

Reminder women in the military are placed in either guard duty or administration.

Lol, that’s not even true… Women have been allowed to be in combat roles since 2013.

And guess what, it’s not the women who say they shouldn’t be

The same can be said about you too, you know you are not getting shit done against the ownership class so resorting to insulting and demeaning anyone who appears privileged to you.

Lol, I’m the same because I’m upset that people aren’t engaging in class consciousness?

You want to really fight a class war? How about starting by not out of frustration humiliating anyone who has different symptoms of the same problem as you.

I’m making fun of people who claim to be leftist, but only care about their own demographics. You can’t be a leftist and abandon the very basic idea of class consciousness.

Sure men talking about their problems is misogyny,

It is when you talk to them about their problems and all they do is bitch and moan about dei.

you can’t gate keep the left, and anybody who is reading this, some people at left accept you and adversiory despite of your gender

Again … This isn’t about their gender. I’m a dude. Its about how they’ve abandoned class consciousness and are demeaning the struggles of their fellow working class by claiming they somehow have it worse than everyone else. And when you ask them why… You just end up getting thinly veiled misogyny.

a male dominated profession

True, but does that make Giorgia Meloni a fascist DEI hire?

Yeah, they seem to be more on the side of “national socialism” than actual socialism. Socialism…but only for a certain demographic that happens to encompass me and people who look and act like me.

Well If it helps I think you made really good points, and in a much more civil manner than what that guy deserved…and he still tried to frame you as having a “hostile tone”. Misogynistic never fucking change.

Keep up the good fight

Oh I’m sorry I mistook you for someone who was blaming minorities for their woes… You’re just a guy defending him.

been constructive. I didn’t lash out and try to put people down for caring about their issues. I didn’t wrap people up in ass-long back and forth threads demanding justification after justification why they care just to find an excuse to pounce, then ride my high horse into the sunset

If that’s your take on this thread then you’re just as complicit as the rest of these incels.

Yeah… I didn’t think the culture was as ubiquitous. Kinda scary to see on a platform with so many self professed “leftist”. You can’t seriously think you are on the left when you only care about providing for your specific demographic.

The kids are not alright apparently.

Sure. Real men don’t cry. Real men aren’t weak. Real men toughen up and don’t complain. Real men don’t care about injustice if it’s them who are affected. That’s you.

Lol, falsely conflating me telling you not to blame POC and women for late stage capitalism with telling you not to cry is pretty hilarious.

What injustice are you facing that generations of women and immigrants haven’t been receiving the whole time?

I’m not telling you not to communicate or build support networks, I’m saying don’t blame minorities for the lack of those support networks.

This fucking thread is crazy… especially these dudes trying to wrap their misogyny in faux leftist babbling.

There is no struggle but class struggle. They’re just pissed they missed the bus on being invited to the ownership class and now they’re stuck down here with everyone else.