Waaaaay beyond normal. 100% agree with you on that. This is a cruel punishment and target the whole people because their goal is to kill everyone of them and take the rest of the land, probably move into Lebanon after that. Sad fuxking sad.

So, normal occupation stuff then? They have very little drinking water already.

Lot of effort just to sit at the bottom of the ocean.

But how do they separate the rich from the peasantry?

Exactly, their form of punishment and torture, is the twisted delusion that they are preforming some sort of justice not given by the courts.

“Oh they went light on him? we gonna make sure he get it here.”

Its is absolutely torture. They feel like can dispense their own form “justice” bro, they have already been convicted they have been punished and are serving their time.

Also pretrial detention is the same? Fuck, some of these people haven’t even been convicted and they can’t splurt a bit extra on air con?

I smell financial corruption.

Show me the mistake in such a case as that? Please id love to see your fictitious case because if you show me cases where the person had a shit lawyer and died because of insufficient council or evidence that had been withheld by the prosecution or bias by the judge or jury based of false information then I would argue that that is a failure of the system through courrupt individual that uses it in inappropriate ways its not intended to be used and not proportional justice that i seek.

Yet again you make a stupid claim “like its gonna bring them back” are you dense? Are you purposely being obtuse? Not sure if you are or not.

Blood lust? Someone call the hyperbole police on this person and yes you are delusion equating my belief in proportional justice as a blood lust for the innocence imma bout to slay? That i would argue is simplistic. Oh so just because I found out what the idea behind my belief is all of a sudden im a petulant immature child?

You are the child in this point, labeling people casting your ideals on them without a serious conversation? Thats your immaturity, not understanding why a person would prefer their child murderer to not exist (and again specific to this case) is a perfectly rational response.

You literally are defending their ability to avoid proportional justice so they can either be “rehabilitated” to leave and possibly commit a much worse crime or spend vasts amounts of money to keep housing the worst people like some macabre collection to leer at.

I seek retribution not revenge. I seek a proportional sentence for the crime convicted of.

This bit got me the most lol Because, spoiler alert, locking up a terrible murderer for the rest of their life will not allow them to murder. But you don’t care that innocent people will die.

Ahh yeah they do, people with life sentences don’t care if they get time added, they gonna die there any way… very very simple view there

And if you were paying any attention before you would understand that NO I DO care if innocent people die.

I did and the over cost out weights the initial cost… in the long run…

Okay so, do you want to read that article? You can just skip to the conclusion part and the fact check done in 2018, since the article is from 2016…

-------------------------‐ Conclusion Was Dennis Davis correct when he claimed that death cases are more expensive than life in prison?

A preliminary study by South Dakotans for Alternatives to the Death Penalty, examining first-degree murder cases since 1985 that have resulted in a death sentence or life in prison, found that on average, legal costs in death penalty cases exceeded those in the other cases by $353,105.[24]

The study was submitted to the State Affairs Committee of the South Dakota State Senate as part of the committee’s hearing on this year’s bill to abolish capital punishment.[3] The study was referenced by both proponents and opponents of the bill during the hearing, and its numbers were not refuted.

While the legal costs were greater, information from the South Dakota Department of Correction shows the average cost of long-term incarceration for a prisoner sentenced to death is lower than that of a prisoner serving a life sentence. Because there are no extra expenses involved in housing condemned prisoners, and those prisoners are incarcerated for less time in state prison, the average savings per prisoner is $159,523.[19]

Since the average savings in long-term incarceration is so much lower than the average additional legal costs, it appears Davis is correct about the cost of the death penalty versus life imprisonment in his home state.

Because the costs associated with capital punishment have not been studied in every state that has the death penalty, and because most of the existing studies are limited in scope, it is not possible to state definitively that the death penalty is always more expensive than life in prison in the United States. But the studies of capital punishment conducted since the Furman decision do offer support for Davis’ claim.

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Soooooo basically, yeah more expensive in legal fees but literally cheaper because they don’t spend 40 years rotting in a hole.

Also thats not what I’m talking about… pfft.

The guy is on video, he confessed to the police that it was premeditated, there were multiple witnesses. Where is this innocent person you keeping talking about being killed? I would argue its the fucking kids. I know you are talking over the whole judicial system but im arguing its these cases specifically.

I think you really enjoy telling other who they are, incorrectly I might add, think im a murderer in waiting? I would say you like to feel your superiority of the moral standard that retribution is equal to being a murderer yourself. Thats what I call delusional.

You be out here defending the lifes of the most disgusting humans on this planet and you think I’m the murderer? I call you an enabler, you would allow them to become “rehabilitated” in a system that relies on recidivism and just go on to kill again. Maybe you should think about all the people who left the prison just to kill again, their victim lay at your feet because you, obviously that is not true, but its your stupid logic.

You know, if you just watched that video. You’d understand my view point and it also has the opposite opinion, its both arguments give by two people who are more able to explain it better than me. Im basically trying to understand it myself and I try to explain it with some confidence with every other person on lemmy.

The crime is? He kills his 3 kids. The punishment? Death, in this case. deserved and proportional, in my opinion, in this case!

Btk, same opinion. Greene River, same opinion.

You keep saying innocent people will be killed and you believe i want that to happen. I do not. you say “its inevitable” and I will say, that if you kill someone on false charges, it is wrong and it should only be applied to the cases I have stated previously, not a power just given out willy nilly.

I’m not actively calling for an extremely low bar death penalty justice system, I say, eye for an eye. Killed his kids, delete him from life and this other guy from OPs post the guy rapes and kills a woman, 26, no remorse, killing is like brushing teeth, delete him from our society, and because I belive that I’m a potential murderer? Geeze man, thats depression as a conclusion. mountains, mole hills or something something.

Pre-emptily retributitve?

You want to equate my belief, that the punishment should fit the crime by saying “a killer deserves to face death to right the wrong” to being a killer my self? Then explain to you why you shouldn’t have that view point? Pre-emptively?

Just making sure I understand you properly.

retributivist, just find out what that means.

Just so you know, I am that first guy. not the actual person but, what he embodies retributivism.

Please just look at this it a debate. https://youtu.be/XltuOU1A8Sk?si=HgX4ZyMDXvSB1WZi

Ha ha ha that halrious. Because I want people like btk dead, I’m a murderer in waiting, how’d you figure that scooter?

You could if you wanted to but im just saying something and thats not really worth the death penalty, or is it?

So we just have to accept the system as it is and not try to improve it? Oh boo thats also a very unoriginal idea, almost all ideas are unoriginal when it come to punishments.

Not just the legal system but society, we live in a society that really does not care about the people lesser in society, literaly try be a homeless guy and get away with a crime where a rich person can just pay the bond and be out!

Im happy you would rather be killed by a stranger than the state, especially crazy if you were innocent. but, I would argue that the person that killed you, if it was in cold blood, did it with malicious intent had a history of murder, killed you in a mass shooting with no remorse, I would protest the shit out of them being executed rather than spending life in prison. I know you’d probably be apposed to me doing so.

Yes, you lashed out dude. You labeled me a killer in waiting, seemed a little harsh. Im happy you have such strong feelings about it.

I am not asking for lines to be blured and I am apposed to innocent people executed or even falsely sentenced to prison, put there by courrpt individuals looking to close the case, get a promotion, etc.

The innocence project an institution i belive in but we shouldn’t have to rely on it to catch a problem rather than fixing the courrption that leads to false convictions or executes based on flimsy evidence.

But in my mind, and call it toxic if you want but, I feel really strongly that a person like Chad Doerman the person that shot his 3 toddler aged kids on his front law while their mother lay over them to try save them and got wounded in the process he was calm and just showed absolutely no remorse he just end 3 kids live and is allowed to live, call me names for not wanting him or btk or green river or the golden state being alive.

You calmly did nothing, you just went straight into “kill mode” without even having a decent conversation. Its hard to gauge a person on the Internet but I just find people are super on edge, ready to hurt someone in a flurry of text. I don’t hate you or anything, infact. I hope you have a nice day\night.

It would be hard to do that with the current system. Which means it would require a complete overhaul of the justice system, which I would argue is something that is desperately needed. There are too many corrupt individuals on all level of the system that needs correcting.

Look at BTK he is just sitting there in prison, just chilling allowed to live while his victims are not.

I guess I’m riled up but the Chad Doerman documents I watch because, 3 kids man, 3 kids that did nothing dead and he did not give one shit. His wife was wounded as she lay trying to protect them right there on the front lawn. Maybe its retribution i wish but I just know why he is allowed to live.

Fixing our judicial system is arguably easier to fix than the human condition. We need to help people out of poverty, we need to give people their basic needs, they need education, heathcare and a whole host of things, housing, jobs, the list goes on. I would say if people had access to proper service and live reasonable life will eliminate a lot of crime. Can we do that?

You make it so personal, using your logic, I could say the same as you. Your immediate though is that I’m a “killer in waiting”? Thats a pretty intense stance you are taking their for nothing more than a conversation. You do understand how society works right? People have conversations about topics and you are so strongly aposse to me that you are ready to make what I say seem, like worse? Think about that. Hmmm I think their is a larger issue at play here.

Whats up? I’m not being a dick I genuinely want to know why you use such strong words to outline your argument?

We could share the same ideals on other topics but this is what you think defines me?

I think you have other reasons to lash out. We disagree on this but im not calling you a killer for saying I should be killed for simply expressing a view point.

Breath mate, relax.