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    7 months ago

    They didn’t “overstep” . They committed an act of war. It’s as simple as that. And now the yanks want to help them start an illegal war. .

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          The governments of the world are run by sociopaths. The idea of democratic/federal/republican governance is not inherently evil. The people and syndicates who’ve siezed power most certainly are.

          Biden is acting the same way Trump would (nominally): our (the billionaire class) interests are paramount. Netanyahu’s naked aggression is aligned with our sociopathic ruling class’s interests.

          Our military commanders are wilfully neglecting their duty to our republic and remaining passive or silent about the legality of our country’s enabling of Israeli escalation.

          Our only hope seems to be Trump and Biden dying of age-related diseases or conditions, and younger voices of reason step in to guide our foreign policy.

          My forlorn hope, in the face of continuing catastrophe.

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            The governments of the world are run by sociopaths.

            They’ve always been run by these kinds of people. Which means this…

            The idea of democratic/federal/republican governance is not inherently evil.

            …cannot be true, can it? After all, these kinds of people created “democratic/federal/republican governance” exactly for this purpose, didn’t they?

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              They’ve always been run by these kinds of people.

              No. Not always.

              After all, these kinds of people created “democratic/federal/republican governance” exactly for this purpose, didn’t they?

              Exclusively sociopathic people didn’t conceive of the idea of democratic/federal/republican governance, or put another way, governance with distributed authority and consent of the governed.

              I don’t know what you’re trying to say, but, all I have is a general sense of “Wtf are you talking about?”.

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                No. Not always.

                I’m afraid the answer is yes. Pick any of these (alleged) “Great Men” who (supposedly) “represented” us in the past and I’ll point out how they pushed us to the disasterous conditions we are facing today.

                Exclusively sociopathic people didn’t conceive of the idea of democratic/federal/republican governance,

                Take the US as an example of how it’s (supposedly) “democratic” system of governance was designed from the ground up to be decidedly anti-democratic. If you want to see capitalists and fascists glorify this fundamental aspect of US history, click here. This should not surprise you - being anti-democratic is about as right-wing as it gets.

                The idea of democracy itself, and it’s embrace by masses of people long, long before the ancient Greeks gave it a name is not the result of this malady you speak of - but the powerful elites that co-opted it certainly was and still are.

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              The Greeks created democracy, though. They were the first to think of a government where the people have a say in the managers of their affairs and resources. Would you really say the ancient Greeks were sociopaths?

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                The Greeks created democracy, though

                No, they didn’t. The Greeks just argued about it a lot, wrote those arguments down and invented a term for it - a term we still use. The idea that people should have power over their own affairs is as old as human civilization itself - if it wasn’t, kings and emperors wouldn’t have had to invent all those creative methods of terrorizing people into submission, would they?

                Would you really say the ancient Greeks were sociopaths?

                People in ancient Greece weren’t a monolith.

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        7 months ago

        What are you doing to prevent it? If you’re doing nothing, then you do want this.

        Not calling you out specifically.

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          I’m so sick of this answer. It’s not always possible for me as an individual to do something about this. People in the US cannot be easily motivated to force gov to do anything. The bulk of the nation has it good enough they won’t riot and force change.

          It doesn’t mean action isn’t being taken or is not desired.

          The point of my comment is trying to show solidarity with the nation / entity that’s being shit on. You don’t have to be a dick because I can’t stop a 300+million person nation to change but want to show support and empathy.

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            That just sounds like cowardice and laziness. There are lots of people doing things, and you can’t come up with even the smallest bit of effort.

            Attend a protests. They’re usually on the weekend. Tell other people you went to a protest. It signals that it’s okay to talk about Israel and their crimes against humanity.

            Change doesn’t happen easily, but it snowballs over time. Do something! I’m doing it right now.