San Francisco says tiny sleeping ‘pods,’ which cost $700 a month and became a big hit with tech workers, are not up to code::The pods, which are 4-foot-high boxes constructed from wood and steel, made headlines after tech workers praised the spaces.
Ugh. Bougie homeless. Just sleep in your car like normal people. 🙄 /s
I do want sleep pods at airports.
Shower pod at the Paris airport was the best layover I’ve ever had. You pay in 30 minute increments but so nice to get refreshed when you’re traveling across the Atlantic.
Wow, 30min is really generous.
I bet that was really nice. 🙂 As someone who takes red eyes, showering when I get there would be preferred.
I would have a thirty minute shower than.
San Franciscan here. What is “car?”
A mobile home. Don’t worry you’ll be able to rent one from Uber for the night soon enough.
Well in San Francisco, a car is something that a robot learns how to navigate around the city streets.
All of our robots just sit in the middle of intersections. What are these navigating robots you speak of?
They’re the big boxes in the road with broken windows
ugh, this is dysphorian THIS IS NOT FUCKING NORMAL. THIS IS LATE STAGE CAPITALISM
Late stage capitalism? They were doing shit like this in the 1800s. It IS capitalism.
Like, seriously. It’s always been a thing.
In the 1800s, you could rent a space on a rope overnight so that you could drape yourself over it and have a place to sleep that night that wasn’t on the freezing, urine-soaked ground.
This has long been an issue.
Holy balls. That was a wild read.
revolution time!
Yea, in my city (where owning your apartment was pretty much impossible until 20th century), people rented out corners inside normal apartments.
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Speaking of the relative cost of housing, you can buy an actual whole house in other parts of the USA for that much a month. That could be a 30-year mortgage payment on a 100k house.
In San Francisco/Bay Area that doesn’t even cover a parking space per month.
In the US, the average home price sold was $495k. Where can you find a $100k house that doesn’t need a tear down or complete renovation?
In the rural parts of the USA they are all over the place. Here is a 5-bedroom house for $95k in Illinois: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/417-W-Illinois-St-Steeleville-IL-62288/119741473_zpid/
My first house was a 3 bedroom, 2 bath in rural Texas for 5k more than that. That was 14 years ago. I just looked it up and it’s currently $130k. It was built in the 90s, is brick, and still looks pretty good.
So… your solution is to buy a house hundreds of miles away from their job?
Nope, I simply answered their question: “In the US, the average home price sold was $495k. Where can you find a $100k house that doesn’t need a tear down or complete renovation?”
My guy that is a 1900 built House. That is an immediate teardown on purchase.
What? Just because a house is old, doesn’t mean it isn’t still habitable. If a house that old is still standing and in good condition chances are it’s built better than new builds. And by the pictures, previous owners have taken a lot of care in it and upgraded it. Sure, the cosmetics may need to change depending on your preferences, but there is nothing wrong with that house structurally.
Did you look at it? That is not a tear down.
Ok obligatory fuck late stage capitalism. That said, hot take, this is a perfectly valid move, 700 for location and a box to sleep in is a welcome option for many renters in the city. If there are shared spaces like kitchen baths etc this works.
If you want your own space, ok, this isn’t for you, but this alleviates a ton of rental demand which could lower rents in aggregate if enough of these are built!
The alternative is your whole paycheck goes to rent and you retire a week before death, i’d be all for this if I were single.
Is someone making a profit? Most definitely, but I get a better option to run my career in the city, I’m down. Not only that, I hope this model picks up so more people can have the option.
My gripe here is the city, bitching about no windows when this is a pretty tangible solution to many renter’s problems. Either fix it yourself or get out the way when others are addressing it.
This kid must be like 17-18 and has seen none of the world. This would be luxury to half the planet.
half the planet lmao, no. Secondly you can point at the US why it’s so bad in those countries too
This is a dormitory with a shared living space, bathrooms and shower. If anything the “bunks” are quite generously sized.
Take a look at your comment and ask if maybe you’re flipping out unnecessarily.
ugh, this is dysphorian THIS IS NOT FUCKING NORMAL. THIS IS LATE STAGE CAPITALISM
“A big hit” with people who desperately need accommodation that won’t bankrupt them.
Yeah i love how every negative was couched within a sentence mentioning how popular and great these pieces of shit are
Don’t get me wrong, I would LOVE to see modern SRO-style buildings, noise proofed, with small individual bathrooms and kitchenettes. That sort of development would be a godsend to the housing shortage, perfect for young people, supercommuters, and recent transplants, as well as for stopgap homeless prevention.
This isn’t that. This is horrible.
Yeah young people(students) fresh out on their own and have nothing yet trying to make ends meet don’t have standards yet when they first get out into the world and once they run into responsibilities they find out fast this type of living really isn’t living. It’s actually super limited. Until then: extorters are going to extort.
But how is this supposed to happen in high-density cities like NYC or SF?
I don’t have any answers, but as someone who lived in SF for 7 years back in the 90s and early oughts as a student, I know for a fact that “there are no simple solutions for the problems that we face.”
Yeah, I just quoted a DRI song; guilty as charged!
I know. It’s difficult. It would require changes to coding for square footage requirements. It might not be particularly profitable. It’d be expensive to run safely. The opportunity costs would be astronomical (considering the luxury-condo alternative).
It wouldn’t be the solution, because no one thing is. However, It would be a solution to a narrow set of problems, and an asset to residents and workers if it were managed and secured properly. I think one key would be ensuring that it didn’t become a shelter for the vagrant homeless population, nor a place for families, just a relatively inexpensive, clean, safe option for individuals to land for a while.
A pod for sleeping at home: 👍 A pod for sleeping in a hotel: 👍 A pod to rent for cheap on vacation: 👍
A pod is your fucking home: 👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎
I imagine this is more like the Japanese coffin hotels. They are for salary men that work too late to take the trains home.
In this case, probably for people who don’t want to do the 1-1.5hr each way to their “just affordable enough” commutter home every day. I doubt these are many people’s long term permanent address.
$700/mo is excessive though.
It’s actually an entire shared living space with a common room, bathrooms, and shower. Not comparable to coffin hotels which are not for extended living. You could absolutely live in these long term. It’s essentially a dormitory. Tech workers fresh out of college probably adapt to them just great. You can’t live anywhere else in SF for $700 and you don’t live in the City to stay home anyway. People living in these spend their time working at lavish offices and going out partying and wining and dining. This is a place to crash, and not even a bad one.
Yay a in city version of a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunkhouse Or a western version of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communal_apartment Or a adult/non criminal (for now) version of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workhouse
This sort of thing is not new and generally not a flex on the state of things.
The people here are bagging multiple six figures and the reason they are willing to sleep in a crash pad is they spend their waking hours in a luxury office or out at bars and restaurants. That’s just city life. Not the damn debtor’s workhouse. I’m amazed at the hysterics people are showing over this. Save your outrage for something that matters.
Like better city planing and the expectation of reasonable shelter for $700 a month?
The housing situation can absolutely be improved. But seriously: this is an improvement. Do you know how many $700 options there are in San Francisco? Try none. I paid $550 for a room in a flat last time I lived there - in 1998
Cities should utilize high density housing styles. Shared living is one of those. But I understand that people paying $700 a month for a house with a backyard and garage - in Missouri - will naturally look at this price tag and think it’s robbery. On the other hand, these tech workers are making $500k much of the time.
Yeah I laugh every time someone calls shit like this dystopian. I’m like ok so in one breath ppl like that claim this is hellish and in the next talk about how the only solution to housing shortages are housing density. Wtf do they think this is???
Furthermore this is nothing compared to living in hong Kong.
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$700 for this is insane. I get why they’re doing it but there’s no reason anyone should pay $700 for a bed.
San Francisco should build their own get that shit up to code, make it about 30 stories, have spots for restaurants, stores, retail at the bottom and make it actually affordable and for everyone. There should be no market for 700 a month 4 foot tall boxes. Greedy fucks.
Shit should be like $50 a month max and yea it’s dystopian as if people want to do it I guess then whatever. Just don’t rip them off.
Just what is shown in the photo would get you $7000 a month… why rent out 2-3 houses when you can rent out 10 boxes I guess.
With a housing shortage, say 10 people needing a place to live in this space, renting 2-3 houses leaves 7-8 people homeless. Making progress can’t be just a rejection of sub(sub)standard solutions, it has to also be building acceptable but dense housing.
And then with all the rampant corruption it would turn into a overpriced slum. Yes I’m pessimistic, and I hope I can be proven wrong and that your idea would happen.
Ok hot take, this is a perfectly valid move, 700 for location and a box to sleep in is a welcome option for many renters in the city. If there are shared spaces like kitchen baths etc this works.
If you want your own space, ok, this isn’t for you, but this alleviates a ton of rental demand which could lower rents in aggregate if enough of these are built!
The alternative is your whole paycheck goes to rent and you retire a week before death, i’d be all for this if I were single.
Is someone making a profit? Most definitely, but I get a better option to run my career in the city, I’m down. Not only that, I hope this model picks up so more people can have the option.
My gripe here is the city, bitching about no windows when this is a pretty tangible solution to many renter’s problems. Either fix it yourself or get out the way when others are addressing it.
Edit: lots of group think and virtue signalling here. If these aren’t there you don’t even have the choice, it’s 5k rent or move away from the city. That’s not bootlicking that’s fact. Whining about landlords being greedy isn’t a solution, and this is.
You sound like the guy who founded a company to kill himself next to the wreckage of a really old ship.
“That damned city, bitching about safety regulations! They need to just get out of the way of innovation!”
I mean you pay 700 dollars a month not to have to live next to people who can only afford 50.
What a gross comment
Sorry that came across as rude, but I assume that is definitely some people’s mindset.
I wasn’t advocating for it.
This is the dumbest thing I’ve seen in a while
As a person who worked at one of these cool tech companies that provided food for breakfast lunch and dinner and snacks 24/7, I found I was only using my apartment to sleep. Most of the offices of other amenities such as a gym, and all the tech workers would go out for happy hours. If I was single this would be a very valid option. Some people don’t plan to spend time in their apartments.
I never understood that whole tech/startup culture. I would absolutely hate for my entire life to be my job. And from the outside all these “cool” perks are very clearly designed to get you to spend as much time working as possible. No thanks.
I worked normally hour, I just didn’t need a full apartment. You going to start your work day there’s breakfast you work there’s lunch you work until 5:00 and then you go to the gym and then you go back for dinner when you do something cool in the city. I actually have really fond memories of that period.
I’m glad it worked out for you. And I also know that my idea of it all can’t possibly apply to every single company that was or is a part of that whole culture.
I just find myself sceptical of it all since I much prefer to have my own time, and my own space as separate from work and the people I work with. And perks like that just very clearly seem designed to get me to spend as much time at work as possible.
I really think that it started as real perks to attract a lot of talent, and slowly got morphed and abused into a way to siphon minutes out of employees lives.
It kind of started when Google, Apple and others started colluding to keep wages low by refusing to hire each other’s talent. They’ve been found guilty of that and I got a nice check of about 10$ plus a pinky promise they wouldn’t do it again. Yeah!
It started before that. In '98 I remember having dinner with someone who worked at Netscape before then who told me about how a co-worker had just been fired for living in the office, something they’d apparently decided to do in the first place because they already then had all of these perks designed to keep them in the office.
The Google, Apple etc. collusion certainly was a huge step up in abusive practices, though.
For what it’s worth, I’m an engineer and my experience is the complete opposite, it’s a super chill job and I have all the free time I could possibly want.
I guess it depends on what job you look for.
Having worked at, and co-founded, multiple startups over a period of 28 years: Sure. But why are you choosing that?
The reality is that the moment I started standing up to employers or investors and expecting decent standards, they folded and I was able to have a good work-life balance and get paid market rates and still get to work on cool startups and get shares.
These companies prey on most people never thinking to negotiate (and having been on the other side of the table, and tried to be decent: most people never negotiate, even though we almost always have space to do so)
Are 700$ really not that much? Sounds like a lot for a bed
These people are making $80k at the very bottom, $120-200k is typical. Keep in mind they are paying 40% in income taxes alone (federal, state, social security, Medicare). When rent is $3-4k for a room you just sleep in, $700 for a smaller room is a nice savings.
80k minimum? I feel so Europoor.
Actually… 5 weeks of holiday, mostly free healthcare, good public transport, a mostly functioning democracy 🤔 Maybe not that poor. Still can’t afford a house 😭
This is a California city. The rest of the US is not so nuts. And it’s funny you mention socialist benefits. CA is the most socialist state and it’s a giant shit hole for most people.
What happens if you lose your job?
Sign up for the next up and coming tech start up company
The excuse by the residents as to why this is ok is certainly that.
How dumb do you have to be to complain about how much living in the city costs while paying almost a thousand a month to live in a closet… You. You’re the reason it’s expensive and why housing isn’t a priority. You have to stop buying this dumb shit to solve the issue and let’s be honest if you’re paying 700 to live in a closet and praise it’s networking chances you aren’t unable to move.
You do realize a 500 sq ft studio apartment may run $2000/mo or more in that same area right? It’s one of the most expensive places to live in the US
That’s the problem, and this is not a reasonable solution.
I think the solution is to move somewhere cheaper with fast Internet.
I don’t argue that there aren’t any better solutions, but SF is on a peninsula (called Yerba Buena if anyone cares) and is already the 2nd most densely populated city in the US, which is just to say that it’s a limited space without a lot of options for housing short of building in more density.
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I agree there’s a problem with corporations and wealthy people treating fines as a mere cost of doing business, but in situations where there was neither malicious intent nor actual harm, it’s problematic to create a legal minefield with harsh penalties. The goal of regulation should be to gain compliance rather than punish trivial noncompliance. Of course one might argue that something that does no harm ought not be forbidden at all.
For a case as benign as this that makes a lot of sense but the attitude of entitlement to projects that generate capital is wild, and not doing something as simple as getting the building permits before you start building is really emblematic of that.
$700 / 30 = $23.33 a day to sleep in a wood box… brilliant!
And when your are done, you get to sleep in one for free.
lol someone has never bought a coffin and it shows.
Yes, you are right. But no way in hell am I going to pay for my own coffin.
That’s what you think.
You can’t take that money with ya!
I won’t leave any, ha.
What happens to bodies that can’t pay burial or cremation costs? Do they just get thrown into a compost bin?
In most cases, local governments use direct cremation to dispose of unclaimed bodies and the cremains are stored for a set period of time. After being stored the cremains may be scattered. The Cremation Society of North America has estimated that there are currently 2 million unclaimed cremated remains in the U.S.
Some counties elect to bury unclaimed bodies. Typically, the body is buried in an unmarked grave that is county-owned. If a family member later comes forward the body may be exhumed upon request.
Other states allow for unclaimed bodies to be donated for medical science. There are also state laws that allow for the unclaimed bodies of veterans to be buried by third party groups.
Source: Direct Cremation
This is for unclaimed bodies, if your body is claimed by your family then the cost is taken out of your estate or your family have to pay for it.
Just throw me in the trash
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Dying isn’t free either
You wish it was free, not on your life bud.
One of the other articles linked has a photo of the common room.
This is a dormitory style shared living space with living area and bathrooms / shower. The “boxes” are bunks for sleeping and actually roomy and private compared to every other dorm bunk I’ve ever seen.
Centered in the square carpet of green plastic turf, a Japanese teenager sat behind a C-shaped console, reading a textbook. The white fiberglass coffins were racked in a framework of industrial scaffolding. Six tiers of coffins, ten coffins on a side. Case nodded in the boy’s direction and limped across the plastic grass to the nearest ladder. The compound was roofed with cheap laminated matting that rattled in a strong wind and leaked when it rained, but the coffins were reasonably difficult to open without a key.
The expansion-grate catwalk vibrated with his weight as he edged his way along the third tier to Number 92. The coffins were three meters long, the oval hatches a meter wide and just under a meter and a half tall.
– William Gibson, Neuromancer
Cyberpunk was supposed to be a dystopian vision.
Most dystopian books are now used as a manual for some politicians and rich a**holes.
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hands book to new hire “Make this in 2 years…there’s red bull in the fridge. You sleep on that mat.”
You sleep on that mat.
Dunno if better or worse than a pod.
soon the window will go, then the other conforts
They write “tech workers” but it’s pronounced “tech slaves”
Tech companies that offer places to sleep, eat and play at work, only do so so they can keep you working as long as a possible. If you never leave the office they make boatloads of money and make yourself a free Eggo waffle. And if you try to work from home so you can live in a city you can actually afford, they make come into the office so it’s impossible. Not because you aren’t doing good work at home, but because you can’t won’t 24/7 at home.
As someone who’s not American and had a couple of job opportunities to move to San Francisco, I’m glad not to have done it.
What kind of hellhole is that city? I had an impression it was extremely expensive but also very wealthy. The more I hear the worse it seems.
I like the city but it’s not for everyone. I definitely wouldn’t call it a hellhole.
had an impression it was extremely expensive but also very wealthy.
The trouble with these kinds of statements is that there are always going to be “bottom of the ladder” workers who are still poor in these cities, and being poor in am expensive city is a shit load worse than being poor anywhere else
Even then, salaries are high, but the CoL more or less cancels it out. Even the wealthy SWEs I know who live in SF are barely able to swing 2 bedroom apartments that they share with an SO. That’s why you hear about new grads making $200k/year right out of college working for Meta or Google, it’s true, but you’d be better off in a lot of ways working for a small company in Sacramento for $100k
What kind of hellhole is that city? I had an impression it was extremely expensive but also very wealthy. The more I hear the worse it seems.
LOL start reading about Dubai sometime.
Dubai is much cheaper
And much worse.
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San Francisco is one of the most beautiful cities in the world. And these tech bro pods, which are not really a thing here unlike in Japan where it’s been a thing for a long time, are a gimmicky joke.
You would get more space and a better place to live in a nicer neighborhood for a similar price if you simply got roommates here. It might be $900 rather than $700 but if you were sharing a bedroom, which would STILL give you more space than these pods, you could easily get down to below $700. These things are preying on tech kids out of college who only know dorm-style life and have been hired into the new AI startups.
You definitely should have done it for the resume and networking boost. San Francisco is expensive but you can definitely find deals the more you look for them. Plus the Bay Area is bigger than just San Francisco.
And regarding the other comment, $200K in SF is definitely better than $100K in Sacramento. More money is always better, unless it’s like a 10% bump. First of all, San Francisco is just more beautiful than Sacramento. Food is better. There’s more to do.
Second of all, Sacramento is getting more expensive because people are moving there from the Bay Area. It’s still cheaper, but prices are growing and you don’t live in a major city. People are paying $500K to live next to a cornfield.
Houses in my area (Ione, about an hour south ish of Sac) going for 550k or so when I bought, and again, an hour from the “big city” (sac isn’t much of a big city compared to actual metropolis but still)
California real estate is stupid. There is literal farm land right next to expensive ass homes. Building homes is like printing money.
The weather isn’t good enough to justify it, considering recent fires and the fact that you have to live in the Central Valley. Homes in hot-ass methlandia should not be that expensive.
It’s expensive because of the concentration of wealth, not the quality of the area. There’s a ton of crime, homelessness, car break ins, etc.
People often leave their car doors unlocked or their windows down to prevent their windows from being broken, but instead they find random people sleeping in their cars.
On the plus side, the weather there is quite nice.
A lot of problems coming together.
Nature is one, they’re warm year round so a lot of homeless folk are better off there.
Earthquakes prevent them from building tall. The surrounding hills make sprawl hard. Both the earth quakes and hills restrict the supply of housing.
And thats before you even start the leftist policies.
$700 a month?!
People don’t want to live in this pods for the most part. The problem is NIMBYs in San Francisco constantly block new housing from being built. This results in insane housing rental prices for workers. Because housing prices are so insane, it makes $700 sleeping pods look like a steal.
The issue is the lack of housing, NIMBYs, and the local government.
