• GoodEye8@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    While it should go as without saying I think it’s pretty hard to take it that way when the following statements get made a) The legitimate Ukraine government was overthrown in a NATO croup, b) Ukraine government is a neo-nazi government, c) DPR and LPR are legitimate countries and d) NATO started the war in Ukraine. Every single one of those is a Russian state propagated talking point, all of them made around nuggets of facts (like the leaked chat where some US officials were discussing who should or shouldn’t be in the new government) but ultimately warped into something that can’t definitely be proven true or false. Thus whoever spreads those talking points wants to believe those statements as true, which begs the question of why to believe they’re true.

    • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      1 year ago

      a) The legitimate Ukraine government was overthrown in a NATO croup, b) Ukraine government is a neo-nazi government, c) DPR and LPR are legitimate countries and d) NATO started the war in Ukraine. Every single one of those is a Russian state propagated talking point, all of them made around nuggets of facts

      So, theyre all Russian talking points but theyre also all supported by evidence?

      This is a thing that annoys me about liberal conceptions of bias. Everything is biased, the question is how factual things are.

      (like the leaked chat where some US officials were discussing who should or shouldn’t be in the new government)

      Yes, this is what we call discussing who should be in the puppet government. You’ll note that they kept the moderate “we should be nuetral between the US and Russia” organizers out and brought the nazis in.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
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      1 year ago

      I don’t think I could ever make you believe that we came to these conclusions based on an analysis of world history, economics, and the current geopolitical reality and didn’t need any help from Yuri at the FSB.

      You literally don’t understand how we analyze geopolitics.

      “The most revolutionary thing one can do is always to proclaim loudly what is happening.”

      rosa-shining