• lugal@feddit.de
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    7 months ago

    Germany and our problematic relationship to Israel… I hope this works. German media still refuses to talk about genocide in Gaza and calls those who do victim blaming

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      7 months ago

      I found it very shocking how “in sync” the German news media is. I don’t quite understand what the mechanism here is (compared to US where it’s much more clear how it works).

      It is especially hypocritical because of the outrage against the AfD and demonstrations about lies and fascist propaganda that is used on social media, but then clearly we can see they’ve been lying and manipulating us for decades. How can they be surprised that angry people are don’t believe the “official version” any more? This is one of the symptoms that is feeding the rise of fascism in Germany - and in all western democracies.

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        6 months ago

        Believe it or not but the word “genocide” does have a meaning and different definitions for sure which doesn’t make it arbitrary. If the accusation was far fetched, the case brought forth by South Africa, I’m sure you heard of, would just have been dismissed.

        But if it were a genocide neither I nor any Palestinians in Gaza would still be alive.

        You think genocide means that the whole populations is killed? As said, there are different definitions of genocide but afaik none goes that far. Has there ever been a genocide under this strict definition? If you are interested in real definitions, here is a video about the topic which doesn’t ignore the broader context.

        And even if you disagree, which is your right obviously, the matter isn’t settled, but putting off an accusation that the International Court of Justice takes seriously as victim blaming or antisemitic should be below journalistic standards.

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            6 months ago

            Not that this was a real answer to my comment but by your criteria, was there ever a genocide? US did a lot to unexist the indigenous peoples (boarding schools count as well by the way because that also eliminates the cultural identity) but they still exist and so it was no genocide or did they try and didn’tsucceed? Neither was the Shoa? Or the nazis didn’t have the time? And the Israeli state could have be done by now but the fact that the genocide is still going on is proof that there is no intent to be faster?

          • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.deOP
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            6 months ago

            That is just factually wrong. The legal definition, as is in the UN convention on the prevention of genocide defines “in whole or in part”. If you watch the trial the judges repeat it multiple times and show why they see the case by South Africa as plausible

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      7 months ago

      You never seem to figure out right from wrong, do you. What strikes me as odd is that you’re rather slow with supplies to your neighbours in the south for a warmongering tribe

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        7 months ago

        I’m sorry, my English is bad. I don’t understand what you are trying to tell me

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            7 months ago

            I mean we have two neighbors to the south but neither Austria nor Switzerland are warmongering tribes last time I’ve checked so 🤷‍♂️

            Edit: Or are we the warmongering tribe and should therefore supply Switzerland with weapons?

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                7 months ago

                As I just learned, I belong to a warmongering tribe and you know the saying: if you are a hammer, everything is a nail. So yes, the Swiss needs weapons because they solve every problem

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              7 months ago

              Sorry - I was referring to Ukraine - that’s probably more southeast.

              I do believe that ww1 and ww2 showed your warmongering side - and sending weapons into Israel so they can bomb kids are not much more honourable