We are in this thread discussing our experiences, so, valid all around. For most folks who don’t have bone ache(that sucks), effective layering provides an “out” from the cold. Once you are in shorts and a shirt, there’s nothing more you can do to be more comfortable in the heat (aside from an alternate, bedouin strategy) but that’s not really relevant in western countries. Maybe it will be soon.

I think we can both agree heat plus humidity is the absolute worst. Heat on its own is certainly the lesser evil