Adam Smith, who is considered to be quite the capitalist, said that it is impossible to have a free market if the participants cannot choose not to participate.
Letting Doctors use the “free market” set medical prices is not only sinful, it is not justifiable by the most originalist economic theory.
Blaming doctors for insurance, pharmaceutical, and healthcare companies prices is a bit rich.
Letting capitalists into healthcare is the issue, not the fucking doctors. Shit the doctors are probably just as indebted to their student loans as their patients are to the hospitals, while getting reamed with fucked 24/36 hour shifts and overworked to the bone.
People don’t seem to understand that the entire medical profession is structured around exploitation — where they still expect you to work 80+ hour weeks back to back, often with shifts that last 18+ hours, and a few hours sleep in between.
Lumping the medical scientists/professionals with medical capitalists is class warfare.
Hit me w/ the mega violin when the easiest job to unionize decides it’s not worth it.
Burn down the 1%
My primary care doctor of 20+ years just quit the practice. He confided in me that it just wasn’t worth it for him to keep dealing with the crazy demands and dwindling rewards. He is one of about 150k doctors who left the profession in the last couple years.
The ACA was supposed to have a public option that would put a control on the insurance prices. Ideally the public option would be so good that the insurance industry would just wither and die.
But the health insurance industry, mainly via Joe Lieberman, made sure that was never going to happen.
Universal healthcare > cheap ACA insurance
Don’t settle for less.
Don’t settle, but at least accept while still demanding more.
Nothing is served by wallowing in failure by only accepting non-existent perfection.
Momentum matters.
Accepting a bone here and there stops many from being hungry enough to demand more. It’s the whole reason Bismarck invented State Socialism to stop the growing threat of leftist ideas.
It was meant to be the first step in a progression that would have led to universal healthcare. Unfortunately, America figured out how to maim it and halt progress. In fact, America figured out how to regress in so many ways, not just in the arena of healthcare.
Only America can fail as hard and fast as America once succeeded.
Don’t forget Joe Lieberman is one of the founders of the No Labels party.
https://www.nolabels.org/meettheteam
If you want to know who NOT to trust, check the link
The website looks like all Sunshine and rainbows. Now I’m really curious why they can’t be trusted.
Jmho. As a political party you need a platform, as far as I can tell No Labels platform is “can’t we all just get along?”
Also their members make up a who’s who of keeping actual legislation from happening, starting with Joe Lieberman for removing a single pair option from the ACA. Rumor has it they have courted Kristen Simena and Joe’s manchin.
Also Harland Crowe is rumored to be a big funder, as far as I’m concerned these people represent money and nothing else.
Letting Doctors use the “free market” set medical prices is not only sinful, it is not justifiable by the most originalist economic theory.
That’s not even what’s happening. It’s vampire middlemen setting the prices, which is even worse.
Unfortunately Capitalism by its very nature abhors a free market. Free markets mean more competition, which means less profits. Which is counter to the ideology of capitalism, that being higher profits mean success.
Capitalism is fundamentally unstable and will devolve into monopoly and autocracy if not regulated to prevent it.
You do everything right and still lose it all - our capitalistic system is working exactly the way it is intended.
If only either political party in America agreed…
We’re stuck with only a small slice of Dems that even acknowledge our system is fucked.
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mightmeant a small slice of dem politicians.Voters of the Dem party and independents largely support healthcare reform, and even a good amount of Republicans.
But the party keeps supporting incumbents who don’t represent their voters.
Just a bunch of old politicians deciding it’s best for all of them to stay in power because they know better than voters.
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No problem. I have made the comment about both sides suck and it doesn’t matter before. It really feels that way all the time. I have said before : Republicans act like they care.
The winner of the Primary being supported by the Party is how it is supposed to work. And regardless of your purity and infallibility, there shall remain only two candidates with a viable chance. If fools whining doesn’t damage Biden too much, the winner shall be he. But whine enough and you may suppress turn out enough to elect Fat Joffrey again.
But whine enough and you may suppress turn out enough to elect Fat Joffrey again.
I could say the same about whiny Democratic partisans trying to pin the blame on leftists yet again despite continuing to offer fuck-all as incentives. “Fuck you, vote for us because you have no real choice” is hardly motivating, assholes!
Not a Dem. Just actually paid attention and don’t want fools throwing us to the greater evil simply because they didn’t get their way.
Anther fantasy about what was stated in an attempt to ignore it as you’ve no leg to stand upon.
The winner of the Primary being supported by the Party is how it is supposed to work
Agreed.
Unfortunately the party has that backwards, and a judge agreed with them.
The winner of the primary is whoever they want it to be. They can influence as much as they want, because at the end of a day it doesn’t even matter who wins the primary. Legally a bunch of unelected donor connected people can name whoever they want.
But I don’t think I want to get roped in a conversation with you based on your post history
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False. While they may wield undue influence, there is nothing remotely “rigged” about it.
My post history is one of treating folks as they treat me. I understand why you don’t wish to have a conversation as you’ve not a leg to stand on, but the only person that could possibly rope you into one is you.
My post history is one of treating folks as they treat me.
that’s a lie
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Ignore “whining” and just assume that Biden is a perfect being with no flaws, and you drive people away.
I will vote for Biden if I have to. That doesn’t mean I have to accept him as a paragon of progressivism and support for the people. He is, at best a flawed man with flawed ideals. At median he’s a symptom of stagnating politicians scared to lose power.
Refusing to acknowledge that and force him to better both himself and his party for the sake of the people just leads to more disillusionment and failure.
I will vote for him, but only because he’s the only option I’m given. I will still push for him to support people and not a political narrative.
Anther fantasy about what was stated in an attempt to ignore it as you’ve no leg to stand upon.
Fuck anyone who drags out the word “purity” in this conversation.
And you keep going with them or whomever is fighting for the people.
Vote with your heart in the primary, and your brain in the general.
Which is why it sucks so much we don’t get primaries every election.
People are literally dying from inaction in America, and we really don’t have any say it.
Be careful with that. It was the infighting that kept people home in 2016.
No it wasn’t. It was the DNC cheating at its own game to support Hillary- who was deeply unpopular- that kept people at home.
You can blame other candidates being better all you want. The reality is, Hilary was and Biden is a bad candidate.
“how can Biden be a bad candidate if he won?”
- dnc shills together in unison
we have to move farther right since we lost
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Only voice saying that is in your head.
Sorry but getting more Votes is not defined as cheating. I didn’t blame any candidates, I blame the idiots butt hurt for staying home. Add in the “Vote third party to send a message” idiots and you get 2016 in a nutshell. Please note: it wasn’t Bernie Voters as they mostly did Vote. But all the “teach Dems a lesson” did was elect Trump. And that is all the fools whining about Biden shall do.
https://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-proves-primary-was-rigged-dnc-undermined-democracy/
it wasn’t a fair process to begin with, the DNC ran it’s primary so as to prevent Bernie from ever getting that election. and they did it because, as a socialist, he’s antithetical to the interests that control the DNC. that is, the corporate elite.
they really should just say “fuck it”, stop doing primary elections and just appoint whoever they want. It’d be more honest than the dog and pony show we currently have for primaries.
so, you think it is reliable to accept the Russian provided DNC emails at face value? 'cause that is what that wikileaks garbage is. No chance it was modified or edited to push the exact narrative you bought into?
https://www.politifact.com/article/2016/oct/23/are-clinton-wikileaks-emails-doctored-or-are-they-/
“Well, you know Chuck, again these are connected to a Russian government propaganda effort to destabilize the election,” Kaine responded.
Kaine later added: “The one (email) that has referred to me was flat-out completely incorrect. So I don’t know whether it was doctored or whether the person sending it didn’t know what they were talking about. Clearly, I think there’s a capacity for much of the information in them to be wrong.”
Experts told PolitiFact that there is precedent to support Kaine’s claim. While most of the emails are probably unaltered, they said there is a chance that at least a few have been tampered with in some way.
“I’ve looked at a lot of document dumps provided by hacker groups over the years, and in almost every case you can find a few altered or entirely falsified documents,” said Jeffrey Carr, CEO of cybersecurity firm Taia Global. “But only a few. The vast majority were genuine. I believe that’s the case with the Podesta emails, as well.”
“I would be shocked if the emails weren’t altered,” said Jamie Winterton, director of strategy for Arizona State University’s Global Security Initiative, citing Russia’s long history of spreading disinformation.
However, some of the emails in the WikiLeaks dump — especially among emails sent to Podesta — don’t have these signatures and can’t be technically verified. And digital signature verification wouldn’t detect tampering by omission, like if the hackers were to withhold certain emails.
I appreciate that you believe it, but those are at best questionable.
The “idiots” who voted third party went 3:1 for the Libertarian party. The Greens got 1% of the vote, and I’ll bet a good portion of those would have picked Trump if forced to pick one or the other.
It’s not third party voters, it’s voters who stay home. If you think you can berate people into showing up for a shitty candidate, then you are delusional.
No it wasn’t, it was trying to force Hillary Clinton down our throats.
She won the primary, but spent all her money in the primary and did almost zero opposition research on trump.
Because Hillary Clinton is remarkably unpopular, she has zero charisma. A life time in politics and her only elected office was a completely safe Blue Senate seat for a state she never lived in after essentially an uncontested primary.
The party put all our eggs in a basket with a giant hole in the bottom, because she spent decades stacking up political favors and called them all in.
Bernie could have pulled off an Obama, but the party learned their lesson the last time voters overruled the party. That’s why they switched to the strategy and actual legal defense of “it’s my party and I’ll influence the results if I want”.
I don’t know how accurate your analysis is, but it affirms my bias so I like the story you tell.
None of that is accurate, but you believe it because you bought into the whining bull shit from 2016.
Bullshit. It was apathy tangential to despair. Infighting happens in the tiny percentage of voters who are actually engaged in and educated about the political system. They don’t stay home on election day. It’s the average apolitical Americans who looked at Hillary and saw no point in dragging themselves to the polls. The whole “infighting” thing was just a way for the establishment to shift the blame.
I hate the US healthcare system so much. So much stress for so many people for so little reason.
There’s a reason why literally no developed country in the world is imitating that system. It’s broken and it doesn’t work for most people.
I am tired of this. Is anyone actually working on solutions or are we just going to complain?
What would it take to setup a low cost health care clinic and hospital that is covering it’s marginal costs?
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That story is pretty horrific.
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Thank you for sharing this story. Things can only change is the abuses are shared with many people.
I am sorry she is going through this.
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That really sounds like some dystopian science fiction novel. But I guess that’s true for a lot of things going on in the US right now.
That really sounds like some dystopian science fiction novel.
Funny you should say that. When she first told me what was going on, my mind immediately went back to that Robin Cook novel Coma from the 70s, lol.
Probably a justice system where you can’t be sued for 150 bajilion for every time someone slips on wet floor. And where health insurance does not expect you to give them 95% discount because every other hospital does. Among other things.
I don’t know. How would you get around malpractice insurance and deal with the competition that has economy of scale?
Malpractice insurance is not infinitely expensive.
As for economies of scale, there are not a lot of them. One doctor and one patient.
Ok it isn’t bloody free either. What do you mean there is not a lot of them? Have you been to any clinic the past 30 years? Look at all the gear they got. What about medications? They aren’t going to be able to buy in bulk. It feels like every single doc I have met in my life tried at least once to go into private practice and struggled.
But hey if these are easy to defeat problems I am all for someone doing it. Open up a clinic and run it at cost and donations. Take no insurance and somehow find a way.
Malpractice insurance accounts for about 2.4% of overall healthcare costs in the US. Meanwhile, healthcare costs are going up at around 4% a year. So, let’s assume malpractice never really happens (ha) and we can entirely eliminate that cost by outlawing malpractice suits completely. Great, we just solved half a year of healthcare inflation.
Do you know what “marginal cost” means?
Edit: that was more aggressive than is helpful.
Marginal costs capture the costs for helping one more patient, so most of the issues presented are handled. Fix costs cover the cost of equipment that can be reused without additional costs. Fixed costs can be paid for with “one time” money like grants and donations.
do what everyone else is doing
vote biden he promises to fix it
- set* up* a low-cost health-care clinic
- covering its* marginal costs
It’s finally working!!! We’re nearly fully incorporated in the profit-machine! I hope the billionaires notice me for a moment so that I can feel like I’m one of them
He looked at me! WITNESS ME!!!
As intended. We are a capitalism. As long as we are, capital shall be God. As long as They who have the most money shall prevail, they who have the most money will prevail.
Capitalism is OK as long as it is regulated. The free market is nearly a myth because of Billionaires.
Here I am. Sitting in a private room with my son at one of the best children’s hospitals in the world. 5 therapy sessions a day. And all I have to worry about is food for me and the wife. I used to bug my dad about moving to Canada. Now I thank him.
Just don’t pay your debt, if they send it to collections they’ve broken HIPPA ;)
They don’t actually send PHI to collections…
How does one itemize a value they cannot legally view?
Who says they can’t? Have you actually read all of the documentation you sign when you have a medical procedure?
You can not legally sign away your HIPPA rights, just so you know.
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disclose the barebones amount
How does one itemize a value they cannot legally view?
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has your legal theory been tested in court?
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How does one itemize a value they cannot legally view?
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You agree, yet decided to argue against the point anyway.
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Just don’t pay it, not a thing they can do if they just tell me some arbitrary amount. Try it yourself and you’ll see, it’s not worth their time to collect.
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