Pressure grows on artificial intelligence firms over the content used to train their products

‘Impossible’ to create AI tools like ChatGPT without copyrighted material, OpenAI says::Pressure grows on artificial intelligence firms over the content used to train their products

    • AntY@lemmy.worldEnglish
      493·
      10 months ago

      The main difference between the two in your analogy, that has great bearing on this particular problem, is that the machine learning model is a product that is to be monetized.

    • Exatron@lemmy.worldEnglish
      167·
      10 months ago

      The difference here is that a child can’t absorb and suddenly use massive amounts of data.

        • Barbarian@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          185·
          10 months ago

          I really don’t understand this whole “learning” thing that everybody claims these models are doing.

          A Markov chain algorithm with different inputs of text and the output of the next predicted word isn’t colloquially called “learning”, yet it’s fundamentally the same process, just less sophisticated.

          They take input, apply a statistical model to it, generate output derived from the input. Humans have creativity, lateral thinking and the ability to understand context and meaning. Most importantly, with art and creative writing, they’re trying to express something.

          “AI” has none of these things, just a probability for which token goes next considering which tokens are there already.

          • sus@programming.devEnglish
            61·
            10 months ago

            I don’t think “learning” is a word reserved only for high-minded creativeness. Just rote memorization and repetition is sometimes called learning. And there are many intermediate states between them.

          • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            73·
            10 months ago

            Humans have creativity, lateral thinking and the ability to understand context and meaning

            What evidence do you have that those aren’t just sophisticated, recursive versions of the same statistical process?

          • testfactor@lemmy.worldEnglish
            42·
            10 months ago

            Out of curiosity, how far do you extend this logic?

            Let’s say I’m an artist who does fractal art, and I do a line of images where I take jpegs of copywrite protected art and use the data as a seed to my fractal generation function.

            Have I have then, in that instance, taken a copywritten work and simply applied some static algorithm to it and passed it off as my own work, or have I done something truly transformative?

            The final image I’m displaying as my own art has no meaningful visual cues to the original image, as it’s just lines and colors generated using the image as a seed, but I’ve also not applied any “human artistry” to it, as I’ve just run it through an algorithm.

            Should I have to pay the original copywrite holder?
            If so, what makes that fundamentally different from me looking at the copywritten image and drawing something that it inspired me to draw?
            If not, what makes that fundamentally different from AI images?

              • testfactor@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                10 months ago

                I feel like you latched on to one sentence in my post and didn’t engage with the rest of it at all.

                That sentence, in your defense, was my most poorly articulated, but I feel like you responded devoid of any context.

                Am I to take it, from your response, that you think that a fractal image that uses a copywritten image as a seed to it’s random number generator would be copyright infringement?

                If so, how much do I, as the creator, have to “transform” that base binary string to make it “fair use” in your mind? Are random but flips sufficient?
                If so, how is me doing that different than having the machine do that as a tool? If not, how is that different than me editing the bits using a graphical tool?

                  • testfactor@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    1·
                    10 months ago

                    Fair on all counts. I guess my counter then would be, what is AI art other than running a bunch of pieces of other art through a computer system, then adding some “stuff you did” (to use your phrase) via a prompt, and then submitting the output as your own art.

                    That’s nearly identical to my fractal example, which I think you’re saying would actually be fair use?

        • Exatron@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          10 months ago

          The problem is that a human doesn’t absorb exact copies of what it learns from, and fair use doesn’t include taking entire works, shoving them in a box, and shaking it until something you want comes out.