There are much worse real life scam traps than the couple dozen or hundreds dollars worth of mtx (if your kid has that much allowance on their device.)
If he only have 20 a month he would have to come up with strategy to get what he wanted and then if he wants extra he has to work for it.
Your analogy would be like give your kid access to your bank accounts and CC without check. Learning opportunity cost without limited resource is a poor example.
These are designed to be addictive. You would be getting your child addicted to these loops early, grinding in that mentality early, and letting them loose into adulthood.
I’d rather they share with me that experience and guide them compare to let them run into that much later in life while I was not around, make sense?
If I can catch my kid that are actually have that addictive trait, I need to find out early and find therapy to help them building that mental wall or setup actual social/economical fence early on.(like register them to the blacklist from casinos etc so they get turned away even if they tried.)
Please don’t compare bad spending decision to hard drug that permanently alter your brain chemicals/pathing.
Gambling addictions are literally identical to the effects of a hard drug permanently altering your neurological pathing and brain chemistry. Take a psychology 101 class.
Thats why its called a gambling addiction.
Thats why there are a fuck load of laws around gambling.
Thats why lots of people want it against the law to put in video games.
Thats why literally everyone of sound mind is telling you that this is a horrid thing to do to a child
Getting a child addicted is not the way to try and find out if they have an addictive personality.
Who said I want to get child to have gambling addiction?
Do you know not everyone expose to gambling will become addict?
Do you even know how that type of addiction works?
Do you even read and see if I find out early that if my child has that trait we can identify that from these early behaviors? (like blowing all the allowance and can not stop themselves and tries to stole CC/lie etc to just get another box open.)
Are you the type of person thinking not exposing this one thing will prevent you from other types of addiction or exploits?
Compare to hard drug that chemically changes and damage the brain and slower process where brain chemical that works themselves because of the reward stimulation is entirely different for those gambling addict prone is totally different. You are talking about the brain “response” to the stimuli, not the cause and how they form that feedback loops.
Not everyone is going to become gambling addict by opening a few loot box, or buy cosmetics.
The fact that I can participate and observe how they work with “not getting what they wanted” if they get a gacha egg at mall or lootbox in a game is very cost efficient tool, Heck, you don’t even need actual currency like mall gacha eggs, plenty of mobile game gives you virtual currency to do the virtual gachas or funnel you to do more of those until you are hooked.(see Pokemom Go)
And, I do not mind restriction and even encourage that there should be laws around those chance based things for both adult and minors. Because we do need those to help those that are prone and can become addict to have something that help them identify that and help them toward therapy. Virtual game gacha/lootbox is probably the lowest cost compare to any other real life addiction for detecting those personal traits.
Last and one more time, catch it early while they have full trust in me and work with therapy is going to cost 100x less then wall them up until they are 18 and then send them to the wild on their own. What kind of sick person trying to get their own kid become an addict? Which part of my post says I want to get my kids addict? What study supports your claim that if a child expose to lootbox and then they become untreatable when you identify the trait?
Do you realize that gacha eggs/capsules exists for more than 50 years? How many gacha eggs addicts you see everyday or in the study?
Like I saw those when I am so small and my grandma’s place still burn wood to heat water and cooking.
Show me any other more cost efficient way to trigger and identify that personality trait compare to a virtual game.
This massive meltdown over being told not to dose your kid on systems specifically designed by hired psychologist consultants to be as addictive as possible would be so funny if I wasnt sure you were actually going to get a real human addicted to gambling
Do you know what’s a distribution? There are no system in the world a fucking psychology Richard Feynman equivalent can pull to make everyone that touched it become an lootbox addict. (or whatever addict you’d like to call it. )
It’s not a melt down because it’s so hilariously bad I offer a challenge to let you show me “any” reputable publication that stats what you claimed with certain co-relation.
In these categories:
open lootbox specifically designed to get you addict == micro dosing your kid with hard drugs
open how many lootbox when a person has that addiction trait will then become untreatable
any study that states opening lootbox with person that have addiction trait works exactly the same way to form the behavior feedback loop as hard drug addicts. (note: NOT how the brain respond to the stimuli “after” they become addicts. We have many hard drug user celebs examples that do not become addicts in Hollywood and Music industry. )
And, can I guess before hand? You have none of relevant qualification to make those claims, right?
If this is r/science and I am wrong I will be slapped with pages worth of links by now.
Go ahead, try educate this fellow stupid old man.
It’s the same strategy politicians used here, it’s the same type of thought process to trigger down vote without using brain cell to process we see here: “Think of the children, XXXX is bad.”
Yes, I did, long before this news articles, before I even have kids. As neuroscience is part of my core interests. I don’t religiously read or follow publications, not in that industry, but those related that posted on reddit or show up in my science curated youtube feed(which recently gone to shit because of generative contents) I just like to check and read about them. I saw nothing like you guys claimed. You have to show me otherwise to back up your claim. Or change topic like others and say this is abuse.
Yes, there is, it’s called knowledge and understand the mechanics. Remember the experiment that nice well people can just “follow the order” and torture their subject? If you are not aware, you may learn something new today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
Oh, and abuse means you are in a position where the victim can’t or don’t know how to say no to your malpractice. My kid tells me to stop humming all the time cause his youtube music stuck in my head and I have obliged every time he said so, you know, trust building from young that he can refuse and stop things he doesn’t like.
There are much worse real life scam traps than the couple dozen or hundreds dollars worth of mtx (if your kid has that much allowance on their device.)
If he only have 20 a month he would have to come up with strategy to get what he wanted and then if he wants extra he has to work for it.
Your analogy would be like give your kid access to your bank accounts and CC without check. Learning opportunity cost without limited resource is a poor example.
These are designed to be addictive. You would be getting your child addicted to these loops early, grinding in that mentality early, and letting them loose into adulthood.
Its microdosing them on gambling meth.
I’d rather they share with me that experience and guide them compare to let them run into that much later in life while I was not around, make sense? If I can catch my kid that are actually have that addictive trait, I need to find out early and find therapy to help them building that mental wall or setup actual social/economical fence early on.(like register them to the blacklist from casinos etc so they get turned away even if they tried.)
Please don’t compare bad spending decision to hard drug that permanently alter your brain chemicals/pathing.
Gambling addictions are literally identical to the effects of a hard drug permanently altering your neurological pathing and brain chemistry. Take a psychology 101 class.
Thats why its called a gambling addiction.
Thats why there are a fuck load of laws around gambling.
Thats why lots of people want it against the law to put in video games.
Thats why literally everyone of sound mind is telling you that this is a horrid thing to do to a child
Getting a child addicted is not the way to try and find out if they have an addictive personality.
Who said I want to get child to have gambling addiction?
Do you know not everyone expose to gambling will become addict?
Do you even know how that type of addiction works?
Do you even read and see if I find out early that if my child has that trait we can identify that from these early behaviors? (like blowing all the allowance and can not stop themselves and tries to stole CC/lie etc to just get another box open.)
Are you the type of person thinking not exposing this one thing will prevent you from other types of addiction or exploits?
Compare to hard drug that chemically changes and damage the brain and slower process where brain chemical that works themselves because of the reward stimulation is entirely different for those gambling addict prone is totally different. You are talking about the brain “response” to the stimuli, not the cause and how they form that feedback loops.
Not everyone is going to become gambling addict by opening a few loot box, or buy cosmetics. The fact that I can participate and observe how they work with “not getting what they wanted” if they get a gacha egg at mall or lootbox in a game is very cost efficient tool, Heck, you don’t even need actual currency like mall gacha eggs, plenty of mobile game gives you virtual currency to do the virtual gachas or funnel you to do more of those until you are hooked.(see Pokemom Go)
And, I do not mind restriction and even encourage that there should be laws around those chance based things for both adult and minors. Because we do need those to help those that are prone and can become addict to have something that help them identify that and help them toward therapy. Virtual game gacha/lootbox is probably the lowest cost compare to any other real life addiction for detecting those personal traits.
Last and one more time, catch it early while they have full trust in me and work with therapy is going to cost 100x less then wall them up until they are 18 and then send them to the wild on their own. What kind of sick person trying to get their own kid become an addict? Which part of my post says I want to get my kids addict? What study supports your claim that if a child expose to lootbox and then they become untreatable when you identify the trait?
Do you realize that gacha eggs/capsules exists for more than 50 years? How many gacha eggs addicts you see everyday or in the study? Like I saw those when I am so small and my grandma’s place still burn wood to heat water and cooking.
Show me any other more cost efficient way to trigger and identify that personality trait compare to a virtual game.
This massive meltdown over being told not to dose your kid on systems specifically designed by hired psychologist consultants to be as addictive as possible would be so funny if I wasnt sure you were actually going to get a real human addicted to gambling
Do you know what’s a distribution? There are no system in the world a fucking psychology Richard Feynman equivalent can pull to make everyone that touched it become an lootbox addict. (or whatever addict you’d like to call it. )
It’s not a melt down because it’s so hilariously bad I offer a challenge to let you show me “any” reputable publication that stats what you claimed with certain co-relation. In these categories:
And, can I guess before hand? You have none of relevant qualification to make those claims, right? If this is r/science and I am wrong I will be slapped with pages worth of links by now. Go ahead, try educate this fellow stupid old man.
Youre gonna be such an abusive parent, fucking lol
You can google this shit, bud, china literally just banned these systems from games in their country because of how they are designed.
You can also google literally anything about gambling addictions.
Unfortunate that theres nothing stopping the future abuse of your kid
Such poor display of integrity eh? Who has the burden to show stuff backing their claims? Right, the person that make the claims.
China does China shit to make Xi look nice and cause a stock market dip and then “might” loosen up the regulation. Unlike you, I include source:
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-regulator-earnestly-study-public-concerns-over-draft-video-gaming-rules-2023-12-23/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/23/china-considers-revising-gaming-rules-after-tech-giants-lose-billions
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-12-25/china-is-softening-stance-on-gaming-after-80-billion-rout
It’s the same strategy politicians used here, it’s the same type of thought process to trigger down vote without using brain cell to process we see here: “Think of the children, XXXX is bad.”
Yes, I did, long before this news articles, before I even have kids. As neuroscience is part of my core interests. I don’t religiously read or follow publications, not in that industry, but those related that posted on reddit or show up in my science curated youtube feed(which recently gone to shit because of generative contents) I just like to check and read about them. I saw nothing like you guys claimed. You have to show me otherwise to back up your claim. Or change topic like others and say this is abuse.
Yes, there is, it’s called knowledge and understand the mechanics. Remember the experiment that nice well people can just “follow the order” and torture their subject? If you are not aware, you may learn something new today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
Oh, and abuse means you are in a position where the victim can’t or don’t know how to say no to your malpractice. My kid tells me to stop humming all the time cause his youtube music stuck in my head and I have obliged every time he said so, you know, trust building from young that he can refuse and stop things he doesn’t like.