Calls are growing for the UN Security Council to be reformed after the US became the only member to use its veto power to block a Gaza ceasefire resolution, a move welcomed by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The UN chief says he will keep pushing for peace.

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    1 year ago

    They do tick off the fifth box of kidnapping children, but the rest not at all.

    Elimination of a nation does not mean the elimination of its inhabitants.

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      11 months ago

      You had two options: read one damn sentence or insist on being a tool.

      Of course you chose the latter.

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        11 months ago

        Please do quote that sentence you’re talking about since you are so much more gifted in the ways of literacy than me

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          Article II In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

          The first bloody page. The article you were asked to read.

          But what could I expect from someone who thinks genocide is a competition that one could lose if someone else did it better…

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        11 months ago

        It is cultural genocide. And kidnapping the children is indeed real genocide.

        But Russia’s goal is clearly not the total elimination of the people of Ukraine.

        Israel wants to literally kill all Palestinians and replace them with israelis. Do you disagree with that?

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          Russia’s goal is absolutely the total elimination of all Ukrainians – they want Ukraine to cease to exist, consumed by them. They thus eliminate all Ukrainians by instead forcing them to be Russian citizens.

          And honestly? I don’t think that’s Israel’s goal, because they don’t seem to have a goal. It’s just senseless and directionless violence and. To me it looks more like them lashing out because they can. Just like Russia with Ukraine, they want Palestine to cease to exist and all Palestinians to either become Israeli or be exiled. The settler program makes that much obvious.

          It’s not a super big distinction though, frankly. Sure Israel isn’t methodically killing every Palestinian, but they sure as hell don’t care about how many Palestinians die. Again, just like Russia with Ukrainians. The goal isn’t an organized campaign of ethnic cleansing, but more the total consumption of the land, no matter how many Palestinians or Ukrainians die.

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            11 months ago

            Israel’s goal is to end Hamas as a concept, and destroy their infrastructure and resources so they do not have a viable successor

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              They aren’t doing a great job of it. The wanton killing is just making things worse. To truly defeat terrorism they need to invest in the civil government of Gaza and build it up. Otherwise there’s always going to be someone to replace Hamas, unfortunately.

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                11 months ago

                I would definitely have prosecuted this war differently, yes.

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              11 months ago

              Correct, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t genocidal. The US didn’t stop being genocidal to Native Americans when they stopped killing them.

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                When would you say that the genocide of the Native Americans stopped then?

                IMO not trying to wipe out their race was a great starting point.

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                    11 months ago

                    There is indeed still some genocide in there with kidnapped children but the main part here seems to be cultural genocide. Is that the same as physical genocide though?

                    From the moment students arrived at school, they could not “be Indian” in any way.  Boarding school administrators “forbade, whether in school or on reservation, tribal singing and dancing, along with the wearing of ceremonial and ‘savage’ clothes, the practice of native religions, the speaking of tribal languages, the acting out of traditional gender roles”

                    Would France banning religious clothing in schools then also constitue as genocide? I don’t think so.

                    What would you say is the point that the genocide against the natives ended?