where is duckduckgo on this chart?
In the PrivateSearch section, but greyed out as they are not an EU based company.
Thanks. This I nice little guide, easy to suss and helps me figure my priorities.
Very strange to put Kagi as “less private” when it’s the only non-self-hosted option that allows for completely private searches with their Privacy Pass tokens. You can access them with Tor, pay with crypto (not really that private though), and sign up with a fake email. https://kagi.com/privacy#anonymity
It isn’t marked as less private. It is grayed out because it is not based in Europe. I personally use them as I find them the best option with what is out there.
The text at the bottom says “kagi doesn’t collect any identifying data, but does require an account, so it is considered less private than the alternatives”.
With fingerprinting and even just IP tracking, I think the question is more whether they can be trusted to not track you (i.e. whether it makes business sense).
But they allow access over Tor and their privacy tokens means they can’t tie your search to your account, so they both don’t get fingerprinting nor know who is even making the request.
I think that’s Walnut’s nod to the fact that PrivacyGuides still hasn’t wrapped their head around the concept of paid search.
I haven’t seen any legitimate evidence that Kagi’s Privacy Pass is any less private than any other search option on the market, but long ago PG defined private search as “not requiring an account” and are completely locked up on that concept.
Even though just about every VPN on the planet (and all of their recommended ones) require accounts, as do most of the other services they recommend. The world is just so used to “free” search (which just sells your data or your time) that they don’t know what to do with a new business model.
Bitcoin isn’t private at all. It’s a very transparent cryptocurrency.
I didn’t say bitcoin and I called out not really private in my comment.
I’m just adding extra info to your comment. They take payment in Bitcoin, but crypto like Monero is private, which they don’t take.
Oh ok
Is there something like Weebly from Europe?
Sadly I don’t have that answer on the top of my head. Maybe ask in [email protected] to whether others might be able to help.
I really wish Qwant would add the ability for me to Seach “1 eur to usd” and just get the results.
Along with “tsla” and “23 *3” and just get results.
Whats the last one?
Anyone noticed google brought back forum seaching again? I left google search way back just because that feature went away.
Either way I can’t stand the AI answers I can’t turn off.
This is a bit like Trumps tariffs, we need to cut everything off but there is no real alternative services. According this infograph, Startpage should be politically correct choice…
Qwant is the closest to being independent and Non-US… I was recently told about StartPage being bought out by System1 (A US company)
They’re basically all compromised in one way or another. 😞
For Search, it is about finding the least bad option and hope that they will become more independent. Mojeek (fully independent but poor quality) or Qwant (building own index, but dependent on Bing)
Pretty weak chart to not even include “I care most about porn search”
Daily reminder that
- Brave’s CEO donates to homophobic organizations and
- Brave is connected to the BAT pay-to-surf scam
Don’t use Brave.
- Brave is based on Chromium and therefore helps contribute to Google having hegemony over web standards.
Always use a Firefox-based browser, even if you think Mozilla sucks.
What about Vanadium?
If it relies on Chromium as a base in any way, it is still beholden to Google’s design decisions.
At least until Ladybird is ready. I hope they are not under too much pressure to rush things so we get a truly independent web browser.
What about on iOS where it’s all forced WebKit?
Ideally don’t use iOS it’s a walled garden, you don’t really control your device
Yup! It is noted in the highlighted text in red. I’ve had several people respond that they didn’t know about it, and would be making the switch away :)
Never had a good feeling about that one.
It’s a shitty “secure” browser to begin with imho
I’m waiting for Servo (I know it’s not a browser) & LadyBird.
Also reminder that StartPage is majority-owned by American ad company Sytem1
I recommend Ecosia!
For now I’ll stick with SearXNG, it’s among the first things I get up and running when I distro hop, but I’m glad there are other non-US options to try.
yeah I wish decentralized search engines were more common
I really wish Kagi wasn’t American. Kagi is such a good product, and I’d be willing to pay for it, but in no universe am I willing to pump more money into silicon valley.
Yacy. Self hosted p2p ( or local only ) search engine. Crawl the Web yourself.
What kind of storage space does it take up, and how good are the results?
Of course, it depends on how you set the crawler, i.e. how deep because of subdomains and how far links to other domains etc. are.
I crawl 71 pages: My index is currently 4,576,319 documents ( i crawled sites like github too )and occupies just under 14GB
The results depend on several factors. For example, whether you only use local or p2p. But then it also has a number of settings and you can also explicitly control what is responsible for the results down to the smallest detail. But I have to be honest and say that I haven’t dealt with this at all (especially since it’s a bit complex in some cases) because I want to expand my list of pages to crawl myself first and I only use it locally. I still regularly use duckduckgo to search. However, if you take the time for it you will get what you want in terms of quality of results.
Ah well, depending on how you set up the crawler, it consumes system resources accordingly. However, you can set and limit the utilization of RAM and storage space. The same goes for network utilization, which is pretty important because otherwise no other connections would be possible besides crawling xD
This is exciting, TBH.
I’m going to try it out! Storage space be damned 😂
looks really good, something to rewrite in Rust some day!
How about just NOT supporting companies? Having an European company control what gets shown to you is not much of an improvement over having an American one do it…
There are decentralized search engines like SearXNG
The problem with that philosophy is that SearXNG is an aggregator, so if everyone moved to them… who would be paying for the engines that it aggregates?
I agree that no one should ever support a company. But rather establish a set of principles that you want the companies you use to follow, and show no loyalty if they break this.
It is actually the philosophy of [email protected].
SearXNG is in the picture and it’s one of the 3 recommended.
Yeah I just find the title very weird, to me it makes more sense to choose a search engine because it respects your privacy than to “support European companies”
I hadn’t read the “Need help choosing?” part of the picture, so still oupsie on my part 😅 I wish it mentioned that it’s decentralized… but considering it’s aimed at people using Google, I guess that’d be like trying to convert people from twitter/reddit to mastodon/lemmy by geeking out about decentralization and ActivityPub. No one cares, aside from the people who are already using it 😅
