Starting a covert, underground marketing campaign on Lemmy this early is pretty extreme. I guess we can’t underestimate fandom: the promoters here don’t need payment with this kind of passion.
It’s always moraly right to pirate any harry potter media.
I don’t pirate things I boycott. Professionals have standards.
More morally right to never indulge in any Harry Potter media at all. Don’t reinforce the hype by watching that crap, even if by piracy.
Not this show. Don’t pirate it, don’t discuss it on social media, don’t make memes about it. Let it die because of cultural insignificance.
Sadly, Disney keeps it alive with their theme park homage. Fans be craza. No stopping the Potter cult.
Whether or not you should consume HP Lovecraft media despite the fact he was a racist is entirely up to you because he is long dead. He doesn’t make any money. He isn’t even racist any more. Because he’s dead.
I always say “If you’re going to be a shitshow of a human being but a talented artist, the least you can do is also be dead.”
See also: Phil Spector, Pablo Picasso.
There’s also something to say about someone that was a racist in his mind, but made some effort to move in a better direction and/or live in isolation, versus someone that’s actively moving toward ruining other people lives with the benefits they reap.
I’m sure some is profiting from his estate, no?
His works are public domain. People are profiting who did their own work compiling or creating derivative works
Is his estate run by raging racists?
No
Well his estate is pretty loose about enforcing copyright and don’t take in much per product. That’s why you see so much merch. Secondly they are not some racist dipshit.
Plus, it was a shared mythos. He created the main core of it, but others contributed as well. So, figuring out copyrights would be difficult, since some stories reference other stories. Remember, they thought they were just writing some horror stories, but that they would never be something anyone other than other horror story enthusiasts would see.
IP was not a thing yet, and they were just writing for fun. A modern version would be the shared SCP universe.
Their right to anything is as fictional as any of his works
https://lovecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Copyright_status_of_works_by_H._P._Lovecraft
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HP Lovecraft was more a clinical xenophobe and expressed that in his writings. He was afraid of different races, but he was also deadly afraid of scientific advancement and even the color indigo. He also didn’t fund terrible politicians or get into feuds on twitter. You also don’t see terrible people on twitter using his writings to justify their beliefs.
JK Rowling is actively funding and bragging about making other people’s lives worse.
Yeah, I actually think Lovecraft was doing what was probably the healthiest thing available to him at the time with all his fucked up phobias by turning them into inspiration for spooky stories. He was creative and articulate enough that he could have been writing political screeds and trying to get others on board with driving out all the immigrants, but instead he wrote about crab monsters from space. Far from the worst possible outcome considering a lot of the other possibilities from the time.
HP Lovecraft is a national treasure.
His detractors are potatoes.
His writing can be good and he personally can be a piece of shit. One has nothing to do with the other. His detractors as it were virtually all hate that he was a racist POS.
Your opinion is shallow, conformist fluff.
There is a novel called “The Art of Monsters” that came out in the wake of Harvey Weinstein (not that he’s an artist). It’s a good read.
If only everybody would conform to the consensus morality. We’d be living in caves, eating garbage and telling really stupid stories but at least we’d all be non-shitshow human beings.
Mainstream social media is hell to begin with, that’s why I’m here
the death eaters have already infiltrated…
What? You mean a celebrity doesn’t really give a fuck about people and just wants to make money? But they were so silly and sweet in their interviews!
Unless this hurts their bottom line, I doubt they’ll move. Her behavior is not new and they auditioned and signed the contract anyway, the same way people still buy their house themed merch and take trips to Potter land or whatever the fuck it’s called. That woman’s growing wealth is a sign of just how little people are willing to give up.
a sign of just how little people are willing to give up.
Also telling a lot about how much many people care about transphobia. Or trans rights at all
It’s pretty simple. Rowling is an avowed bigot who is using all of her means, financially and socially, to punish trans people for existing. She is a hateful person who should be judged harshly and ostracized. It will be a good day for the world when she is no longer able to or allowed to espouse her bigoted views.
Supporting her in anyway, be it paying for her works or even enjoying her content should be stigmatized to the maximum degree. Actors agreeing to work with or for her should lose everything, as they are even worse for helping to continue her pursuit of hate and villainy.
If she were to fall down a literary flight of stairs, I would be most pleased—especially if this were to happen daily until she were unable to fall any further.
Here’s to hoping that anyone that hitches their wagon with hers suffers pain and ruin.
If she were to fall down a literary flight of stairs
She already did - it was called the Harry Potter series.
Bummer, I like Katherine Parkinson…
Honestly she probably needs the money, I’m least upset about her casting.
Don’t watch the series of Taskmaster that she’s in then. You’ll lose respect for her, she crashes and burns so hard it’s cringe and difficult to watch
She didn’t shine, but crash and burn is an exaggeration.
David Baddiel lost all my respect during taskmaster.
I’ve enjoyed every single series of Taskmaster, including the one she was in. I’m sure if I watched it again with this in mind, I’d recognize what you’re referring to, but aside from that I remember having zero issue with her on TM.
Possibly the worst taskmaster cast member of all time.
I guruan-fucking-tee there’s going to be a new character who’s basically just a transgender boogeyman
No, I bet the trans character will be more of a “look! are you happy now?” like with the game.
And it be the most male-looking figure they can fucking find
Naw, JK Rowling has actual creative input this time.
i heard rowling was trying to retcon the characther to curate thier her subtle transphobia needs because the og cast members do not like rowling.
Because they’re supporting the anti-trans hag?
The parents of the child actors should be getting plenty of pushback. Exploiting their kids like this is gross.
It’s like seeing pictures of kids in KKK robes.
Wanting children to get hate for some other woman’s opinions is wild lol
Before I get more down votes. They clearly said. “Should”.
They’re talking about the parents…
How naive of you.
They clearly said. “The parents”.
I understand what they said. I was implying towards society. Not that commentator. And you fucking know that lol
What?! No, in no way did that come across, especially not when you very clearly directed it at the other commenter when you said “They clearly said. “Should”.”.
It’s almost like we shouldn’t blame others for another. I dunno. Maybe I’m a trans hater like the trans community wants to paint anyone that enjoys Harry Potter.
you literally came into this thread with an agenda
What? Lol I do not have an agenda. I’m just some dude that wants to enjoy trans people and Harry Potter. (That doesn’t give JK any money).
Feigning ignorance of the meaning of the word “agenda” is not a defense.
You have an agenda. You went in the comments to spread it. And it’s incredibly obvious to anyone who can read.
I personally do not have an agenda I am aware of. It might appear in that fashion but again. I am a single person with my own emotions and my own feelings informed on my experiences. I am not intended to be some one else’s fucking champion. I’m just annoyed at this exact bullshit in our society. We might agree on literally 99.99% of everything else. But you won’t care. Cause I like Harry Potter!
Attempting to both deny your agenda and then asserting it in the same comment. Truly peak.
Does agenda mean opinion? I’m confused here actually
Brother, it’s Harry Potter which is not exactly a thing you can’t live without lmfao
You’re making it sound like they’re asking you to give up breathing
I can choose what I can and cannot live without. Without your insane judgment and ideas off a single situation. But alas. Nuance is lost on modern society.
Saying “I can’t live without Harry Potter”, that’s hyperbole. Or if you’re serious, it’s just funny.
The argument is that funding Harry Potter directly funds JJ Rowling - whom then proudly and openly uses her wealth to pay for campaigns to enact anti-trans legislation and pays suppot to regressive anti-LGBTQ groups. Its a boycott.
People are justified in judging those who know this yet continue to support Rowling’s products monetarily or act in them as LGBT hostile.
From all the online back and forth I’ve seen though, few care if you pirate them therefore denying monetary support <- that’s nuance.
Upon re reading it does come off that way but I was using the previous commentarys language towards it not being serious that I couldn’t live without it. Apologies lol
Ah, all good. I didn’t downvote either way, just commented to try to make sense of the discussion. Sarcasm or facetious language is easily lost over text - thanks for clarifying
Ever read the Stormlight Archives? You might enjoy them
I have not. Will check it out though. Ty for insight.
Edit: ah Sanderson. I’m reading Elantris rn!
Nuance? Nuance is not to jump to conclusions about the entire trans community and the “insane judgement” of anyone who disagrees with you. You’re making all kinds of assumptions and not demonstrating much ability with nuance so far.
I was told earlier to walk into the sea for my opinion of enjoying Harry Potter. I am not generalizing
you were told to go swimming? are you a cat do you hate water or something?
Lol. Insane.
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I understand you think my single comment I mentioned is my only experience with this reaction in your community. But that’s just naive and rude to assume id generalize in that fashion. This is consistent behaviour from the community towards this fandom.
But I’m the one generalizing. Lol.
If you’re going to make broad generalizations about every trans person like that, I mean, maybe. There are trans people that read HP and trans people that don’t GAF.
Agreed. Thank you for understanding nuance. Unlike others here.
I didn’t say I agreed with either of those groups of trans people. They just exist, and flattening trans people as a whole into a one dimensional caricature to frame yourself as a victim is crass any time, doubly so during Pride month.
I didn’t say I agreed with any groups of people either. Wtf are you even saying here? Lol
Yes. You are. We are asking you not to engage with a very specific thing, and you are refusing. You are stamping your feet like a toddler that we are asking you not to give money to someone that is using that money to fund anti-trans lobbying.
So yes, you are a “trans hater” and need to do better.
Also what money. I haven’t given anyone money. I’m a pirate you dunce.
You don’t see how cultural relevance has caused HBO to cut JK Rowling a check in order to make this show, which she then turns around and donates to anti-trans organizations?
Pirate or not, people watching and interacting with this stuff and talking about it with other people keeps it in the public consciousness. As long as it remains part of the zeitgeist then Rowling continues to profit from it.
It’s quite easy to find other, better stories about wizards that don’t directly fund bigotry. I recommend Dresden Files.
I’m allowed to enjoy what I enjoy without your personal judgment. I assure you I am an ally but you don’t care because I like Harry Potter.
I assure you I am an ally
An ally wouldn’t make generalizations about all trans people like this:
Maybe I’m a trans hater like the trans community wants to paint anyone that enjoys Harry Potter.
Why not when feeling attacked by a community they defend naturally?
Jim Butcher is also… not great
This is news to me, but I hardly know everything there is to know about him.
Any specifics? I would like to know. I recommend his books frequently.
Nonsense. Not agreeing with you does not paint me as a hater. That is extreme cap. Get outta your bubble lol
Maybe I’m a trans hater like the trans community wants to paint anyone that enjoys Harry Potter.
That kind of wild generalization certainly makes you sound like a trans hater.
No one is claiming that everyone who likes Harry Potter hates trans people. But any interaction you have with Harry Potter books, movies, merchandise, etc. makes money for one of the most prominent trans haters in the world and helps her to spread her hateful message. At least pirate her stuff if you care.
If you cared you’d know I am a pirate already by my comments here. But. You. Don’t.
What is there to even enjoy? The world building is trash, the characters are shallow, and the setting is mid and bland. You really going to die on this hill?
Read another book, I’m begging you.
In your opinion.
Learn to let people enjoy what they enjoy and stop hating people’s personal opinions when they don’t align?
The books are a bit shit tho
Re read my comment. IDC about your opinion. I’m taking about mine?
No, I hate that you’re giving money to a transphobe that wants me dead. You are responsible for what your money does.
I just look down on you for having shit tastes.
These are totally different positions.
Read another book.
As I’ve stated. I don’t spend money on her. So learn to read before judging. Lol
I also hate that you’re defending people who give money to the transphobe. Whether you give her your money or not doesn’t change the fact that you’re going to bat for people who do give her their money.
If all of her fans only pirated I wouldn’t mind.
Blanket hate is sad.
Oh yeah, you’re a trans hater if you’re paying for any HP media. No doubt or questions about it. Straight up scumbag move to be funding that shit.
If you’re paying her, you’re part of the reason she has so much money to give her anti-trans organisations. It’s directly causal and you need to take responsibility for where you’re sending your money. 🙏
John Lithgow reacted to the open letter mentioned in this article, sent to him by “a very good friend who is the mother of a trans child” by saying “Why is this a factor at all?” and expressing sympathy for the transphobic bigot.
So it’s unfortunate that he probably wouldn’t know what a social media is if it slammed him right in the asshole - which is the entirety of him - because he certainly sounds deserving of decades of hell. Especially from his now hopefully former “very good friend.”
“I thought, ‘Why is this a factor at all?’ I wonder how J.K. Rowling has absorbed it. I suppose at a certain point I’ll meet her, and I’m curious to talk to her," he said.
“Decades in hell” for being a clueless, out of touch old man? Jesus Christ you people are unhinged. You fucking act like he’s personally bankrolling her anti-trans crusade.
Hopefully he dies early in production. How’s that for winding down?
I wonder if he’d be ok with others wishing he would die. Or is it only acceptable when he’s playing a character or working for bigots? In any case I’m sure he finds it all very exciting.
Fuck the whole HP franchise.
It was always shitty writing and the plot was garbage. The whole story was a thinly veiled glorification of British exceptionalism.
The only saving grace of that stinking turd of a franchise is that, in the '90s, it seemed like a good way to get kids to read.
The kind of hilarious part is there was right wing pushback in the southern US when they came out because it was “teaching kids witchcraft.” Which is so fucking funny to me now. It’s just so plainly obvious that they were literally judging a book by it’s cover. I read the first two books as a young adult because of the right wing pushback and even the 2nd book was an absolute slog. To my dismay I didn’t learn any witchcraft along the way either.
On the other hand, my youngest brother absolutely loved those books. I remember sneaking him one of the new ones when we were staying with our Southern Baptist grandparents for the summer. They absolutely were his first books that he really read independently. He was quite bitter when JKR decided to be all anti-trans and shitty. If you even bring it up now it sends him into a tirade about how shitty she is.
Thank you for speaking some sense. I never had any interest in anything HP ever since the beginning, long before JK revealed herself to be a piece of shit.
My cousin dragged me to one of the films once (IDK which one but it was the one where the Gollum ripoff dies). It was so boring that I fell asleep in the theater. Never understood why people find this garbage entertaining.
I’m probably gonna watch it because it’s interesting to see what they made of it, I’m gonna pirate it and seed it far and wide tho lol
The online portion of the community that is complaining about all this may be valid, but it’s still a small portion of the actual public. Regardless of all the negative press, if this show is good, it’s going to be a commercial hit.
