This is getting out of hand. The other day I saw the requirements for “Hell is Us” game and it’s ridiculous. My RX6600 can’t play anything anymore. I’ve downloaded several PS3 ROMs and now I’m playing old games. So much better than this insanity. This is probably what I’m going to be doing now, play old games.
Edit: I wanted to edit the post for more context and to vent/rant a little.
I don’t want to say I made a mistake, but I buy everything used, and I have scored a good deal on two 27" 4k monitors from Facebook marketplace. Got both monitors for $120.
They’re $800 on Amazon used. Great monitors and I love 4k. I also bought an RX6600 AMD GPU for $100 from Facebook. It was almost new. The owner upgraded and wanted to get rid of it. My whole build was very cheap compared to what I see some folks get (genuinely happy for those who can afford it. Life is too short. Enjoy it while you can).
I can’t afford these high end GPUs, but now very few games work on low settings and I’d get something like 20 FPS max. My friend gave me access to his steam library and I wanted to play Indiana Jones the other day, and it was an “omfg, wtf is this horrible shit” moment.
I’m so sick of this shit!
I don’t regret buying any of these, but man it sucks that the games I want to play barely even work.
So, now I’m emulating and it’s actually pretty awesome. I’ve missed out on so many games in my youth so now I’m just going to catch up on what I’ve missed out on. Everything works in 4k now and I’m getting my full 60FPS and I’m having so much fun.
4k gaming is a scam. I’ve been using 1440p for 20 years and never had issues running every game that comes out at max settings.
Using 1440p for 20 years doesn’t mean 4k is a scam
i made two statements and you made none.
I don’t believe you
It is a scam if you’re buying 27" monitors like op. You can only cram so much dpi in a monitor before you get diminishing returns. I’ve been playing in 1440p, 27" for a while, and can barely see the pixels if I put my eyes 10 cm away from the screen (and I’ve been playing arma reforger, so there’s been a lot of squinting at bushes through a high-powered scope lately).
I’ve also used a 4k, 32" screen for a long time at work (in gamedev, so I wasn’t looking at excel files either… Well, actually I also was but that’s besides the point) and couldn’t really tell the difference with my home setup on that front (though I admit 32" at 1440p doesn’t look great sometimes, I also tried that for a while). Really, the most noticeable things were the HDR and the ludicrous fps I could get from having a top-of-the-line CPU and GPU (and 128 Go RAM also helped a bit I guess)
Good point, I didn’t keep ops display size in mind when i read this comment of “4k is a scam”, which may have been their point.
In my reply, I’m saying 4k isn’t a scam in general.
play on low?
Try playing Indiana Jones and the great circle on low.
is that not possible?
I’ve edited my post for more context. It is not possible in my case. I use all AMD and this game forces DLSS. Setting the game to low at 1080p barely gives me 20 fps and even that is unstable. Going lower res than that makes the game look like absolute dogshit. So I just gave up. I now play everything at 4k 60fps on rpcs3 no problem.
wow shit game then. but not the rule. still i think more and more devs think we have so powerful gpus, well looking at steam hardware we do. cant stop progress.
Games should be easier to run, with better modding tools. Simple as that, Morrowind with mods is still a fantastic time and it runs well on a Steam Deck, something we can carry around with us.
There are new games?
In all serious, the indie scene is full of new games that don’t require a new GPU to run. A Day of Maintenance and Ephipany City and Mouthwashing and Unsorted Horror and Cosmic Wheel of Sisterhood (to name the few specifically new games that I’ve played and really loved on my RX580, which is about 40% less powerful).
Thank you for mentioning these names. This is basically what I’m doing now, indie and emulation. It’s all just for fun.
It’s not just insane power requirements. It’s putting graphics bling ahead of playability and fun.
I recently bought Doom 2016 and Mosa Lina. I’ve had more fun with the latter than the former, even if I’ve been a Doom and Doom II player all my life.
for me many old games are just that, old. some have still great modern gameplay and just as good music as back then. if the artstyle is nice then i play them and dont think they are ugly.
some games i really think are fucking ugly like the when the textures are verw low blurry and low resolution.
and these 2d games or games with sprites (how to call them? like age of empires 1 or 2. for me they dont age, its their artstyle and if you make it 3d then its not nive anymore.
what game i cant play are these, that are 3d but something makes it that the picture is all so flat and confusing. metal gear solid 3, as an example.
Ita fucking insanity. I got a great deal on 2 4k monitors from Facebook marketplace (I’ve edited the post for more context) and now I can’t play anything. :/
Surely you’re not trying to use a card that targets 1080p gaming for 4k.
That’s all I can afford. And there was no way I’d pass those monitors. Everything is good when emulating, though. This post was more of a venting/ranting post.
You can always just run the monitors at 1080p when playing games. Perfect integer scaling doesn’t look bad if the display isn’t massive.
I mean you probably are just going to have to run the games at 1080p instead of 4k until you can afford a better gpu
Some games run like shit even on 1080p. Lmao. But I get ya
That’s certainly fair, however it’s unrealistic to expect a card to perform the same while doing +4x the work, all else being equal.
Have you tried playing at non-native resolutions?
Sounds like you don’t understand how demanding it is for a graphics card to run at 4K. Like trying booting up the same game 4 times at 1080p. You expect your graphics card to be able to handle that?
I tend to play shit 2+ years old…
Ditto. Whenever it goes on sale for 75% off 🤣
With GOTY and all the “expansions”
This has been me since the dawn of time. I have never bought a game on release date. My son can vouch for me on this one. Whenever he asked for a PS4 game that just came out, my answer is “we need to wait until it becomes $15 - $20 at gamestop and we will get it”. I’ve never bought a PS4 game for more than $20.
I can’t believe how poorly most Unity games run these days. We’re talking fairly basic 2D games that are struggling to run well on hardware from this decade. It’s really pathetic.
Hell is Us requires a 5600 XT to play (from looking at its minimum requirements on Steam), you have a 6600 so you should be good (obviously not at 4k though).
Also seeing the whole 4k thing, the monitors might not have been a mistake, but they are probably an investment for the future at this point when budget friendly 4k cards are a thing, until then, you’ll have to rely on upscaling from lower resolutions (if thats possible with tools built into the game) or just playing in a non-native resolution (1080p) for new games.
there are fun games that dont require crazy gpus/monitors, you can enjoy + support those instead
Remember when oblivion came out? Or crysis? They were so hard to run that they became meme benchmarks lol
And now that “gaming” is incredibly mainstream, the push to be more and more marketable by investors by pushing technology in graphics because that’s what sells.
Graphics too hard to run or not, I just want good games. And all this priority on intense graphical fidelity doth not maketh for many resources for the rest of the game and often shows a priority on PROFIT over all else.
Not buying games, for any reason, including you can’t play them, is probably the best and healthiest thing to happen to gaming since indie gaming…
So, go, play your 15 year old games. Enjoy what’s actually fun. The world will be a better place for it.
God damn, I couldn’t agree more. It’s been a blast playing older games, not gonna lie. I just can’t understand why I need to spend $700 plus on a GPU ONLY to be able to play something.
Because investors realized that gaming is lucrative and leads society. You think it’s a coincidence that Valve created basically the first successful digital distribution platforms and now every entertainment medium followed their model? Do you think microprocessors need to be that good on phones for Web browsing? AI compute hardware came from gaming gpu technology. The software originally made for and tested on games.
But, like music publishers trying to push the newest and latest and greatest music on us, only to have you realize that “oh yeah, 80s music actually kicks ass” and “oh fuck, 50s music WAS neat” or if you have or when you do “holy shit classical is actually amazing and lasted for literally hundreds of years whereas current pop music is constantly only like 2 years old”…
…Like music in that way, old games don’t just magically become irrelevant and bad, despite what pop culture may try to tell us. Compatibility may be the biggest issue, but a lot of old games are legitimately better than newer ones (a lot of old games were bad too). It’s all the social and technical evolution of the medium, and once you start being able to look at it that way - once that perspective and vibe catches on a bit more - I think gaming will be healthier.
Don’t spend 700 bucks. The game will still be there. Wait. Play fun things now that you can, and if when it’s economically playable for you it’s still fun, then it’ll still be fun. There are far too many games right now to even seriously consider fomo for anything but the MOST socially important games, and those are few and far between, and usually very easy to run.
You’re doing fine.
Don’t look at how much 5090s cost in like Australia or some other countries.
Go back further back. It is like this ever since gaming on PC is a thing. Doom, Wing commander 3, Quake III, …
You have to go back to when gaming was dominated by the Amiga and Atari ST to find a time when it hasn’t been like this.
I’d say thanks to Indie games, it is actually much easier to have a pleasing gaming life on low specs nowadays.
people out here really refusing to compress, compile, and optimize their work
That’s my whole point. Why are we
fsultingfaulting ourselves and defending big studios who got greedy and lazy? Games used to look good and play good on shit hardware because developers had no choice. Now, you get downvoted and berated if you say that. It’s not a hardware issue, it’s a game industry issue. They are lazy. They don’t give a shit. They release shit half baked and broken then “fix” it later.
Another reason why I just installed fallout new Vegas
Hell yeah, I love that game.
I love the fallout games. I have a Mac, so it’s been impossible to run them on it until I discovered Porting Kit that has the premade wine wrappers and walks you through game installation. Fallout 3 and fallout new Vegas run pretty well on my 2016 MacBook Pro.
Don’t worry - once you’ve upgraded everything the games are still the same yellow-markings-mean-climbable, branching-skill-tree, press-Y-to-Parry, level-gated-fetch-quests, enemies-drop-loot-that-is-not-as-good-as-what-you-already-have, collect-all-the-orbs nonsense your computer could already play.
Damn, that’s another thing. All games are the same, but have different environments. That’s why I get bored with them really quick.
just replay Deus Ex forever lol
Have you tried just setting the resolution to 1920x1080 or are you literally trying to run AAA games at 4K on a card that was targeting 1080p when it was released, 4 and a half years ago?
I didn’t mention that in the op, but Indiana Jones was running like shit on 1080 low settings. The fucking game forces DLSS. This is where gaming heading, forced DLSS and forced garbage so we are forced to buy expensive shit
That’s just on Indiana Jones and bad optimization. There are still plenty of other, newer games that should run perfectly fine. Of course the big, chunky games that are marketed as “Look at how graphically intense this is! Look at the ray tracing!” are going to run poorly.
Though I will absolutely agree that a lot of studios are throwing optimization out the window when developing new games, just relying on the latest hardware to power through it.
Yup, and the new hardware is now skyrocketing in prices. Nvidia and AMD still make 8GB cards and no new game can run on this shit anymore.
