There are a lot of people on this website who believe in the right to die and would feel bad, seeing you suffering like this. They’d want to talk about your right to die with you. But they could get in trouble for that, because the pro-life people see that as encouraging suicide. You’re putting the pro-choice people in the difficult position of choosing whether to try to help you, or look after themselves.
Your example is pretty bad because it undermines their point. Womens choice of clothing doesnt excuse predators, but it still puts many in a tough situation by tempting them (not voluntarily but for them its a temptation). Which is in no way saying the women are at fault but unwanted outcomes can be avoided by their chioce. So you could live your life making sure others arent influenced in a negative way by your behavior or you could go to the limits of yoir freedom disregarding any consequences for others as long as youre on the legal side. The answer should be somewhere in the middle of the two extremes, but who can say where exactly. (I mean many do pretend they know, but its obviously subjective)
Womens choice of clothing doesnt excuse predators, but it still puts many in a tough situation by tempting them (not voluntarily but for them its a temptation).
It is voluntary. Being a creep is a learned behavior and can be unlearned. I’ll admit it’s systemic but it’s our(M/Society) responsibility to change that.
Which is in no way saying the women are at fault but unwanted outcomes can be avoided by their chioce.
The sentence part after “but” is in direct conflict with thee first.
So you could live your life making sure others arent influenced in a negative way by your behavior or you could go to the limits of yoir freedom disregarding any consequences for others as long as youre on the legal side. The answer should be somewhere in the middle of the two extremes, but who can say where exactly. (I mean many do pretend they know, but its obviously subjective)
This should have been a separate paragraph, it’s a different idea even if in context. This still let’s predators off the hook by assuming their motivations and behavior are “natural” or “innate” in a way that can’t change. The one thing humans do well is learn. It’s one of our few evolutionary advantages. The “limits of your freedom” don’t have to include predatory behavior if you don’t identify it as part to your autonomy or self.
It is voluntary. Being a creep is a learned behavior and can be unlearned. I’ll admit it’s systemic but it’s our(M/Society) responsibility to change that.
Definitely
The sentence part after “but” is in direct conflict with thee first.
I dont think it is. You can avoid being shot on the street by not leaving your house. The blame lies with the shooter but you could avoid it if that was your goal.
This should have been a separate paragraph, it’s a different idea even if in context. This still let’s predators off the hook by assuming their motivations and behavior are “natural” or “innate” in a way that can’t change.
Thats not what Im saying at all and I dont think my comment made it sound like that. Im 100% convinced that predators are at fault and should be the ones being punished. Maybe my comment was unclear, Im not a native speaker.
The one thing humans do well is learn. It’s one of our few evolutionary advantages. The “limits of your freedom” don’t have to include predatory behavior if you don’t identify it as part to your autonomy or self.
Not sure what you mean exactly but I wasnt talking about predators’ freedom.
I dont think it is. You can avoid being shot on the street by not leaving your house. The blame lies with the shooter but you could avoid it if that was your goal.
Isn’t that just the point again though? Expressing suicidal thoughts is literally reaching out for help while being fully aware of the risk. If we accept those who impose that risk then we stigmatize reaching out for help. If we tell women to dress differently to avoid the risk we tell them the creeps are valid.
Thats not what Im saying at all and I dont think my comment made it sound like that. Im 100% convinced that predators are at fault and should be the ones being punished. Maybe my comment was unclear, Im not a native speaker.
Yeah probably just a wording/text forum/secondary language thing. See below.
Not sure what you mean exactly but I wasnt talking about predators’ freedom.
Probably same confusion as above.
So the talking points you’re making, at least in form and not intent, parallel arguments from evangelicals and other extreme right or fascist types. After talking I know you didn’t intend anything close to those viewpoints. However, I don’t feel it would have been appropriate to leave a statement unaddressed if there was a chance of interpretation in the malignant sense.
I feel like this is you fighting phantoms. I highly doubt anyone would want to actively help someone die instead like, referring them to a psychologist or therapist or something
There are a lot of people on this website who believe in the right to die and would feel bad, seeing you suffering like this. They’d want to talk about your right to die with you. But they could get in trouble for that, because the pro-life people see that as encouraging suicide. You’re putting the pro-choice people in the difficult position of choosing whether to try to help you, or look after themselves.
Yeah and it’s clearly the way women choose to dress that excuses men’s predatory behavior /s
Your example is pretty bad because it undermines their point. Womens choice of clothing doesnt excuse predators, but it still puts many in a tough situation by tempting them (not voluntarily but for them its a temptation). Which is in no way saying the women are at fault but unwanted outcomes can be avoided by their chioce. So you could live your life making sure others arent influenced in a negative way by your behavior or you could go to the limits of yoir freedom disregarding any consequences for others as long as youre on the legal side. The answer should be somewhere in the middle of the two extremes, but who can say where exactly. (I mean many do pretend they know, but its obviously subjective)
Absofuckinglutely not. Predatory behavior is inexcusable full stop.
Thats exactly what Im saying though
It is voluntary. Being a creep is a learned behavior and can be unlearned. I’ll admit it’s systemic but it’s our(M/Society) responsibility to change that.
The sentence part after “but” is in direct conflict with thee first.
This should have been a separate paragraph, it’s a different idea even if in context. This still let’s predators off the hook by assuming their motivations and behavior are “natural” or “innate” in a way that can’t change.
Theone thing humans do well is learn. It’s one of our few evolutionary advantages. The “limits of your freedom” don’t have to include predatory behavior if you don’t identify it as part to your autonomy or self.E: pedantism, see strikethrough
Definitely
I dont think it is. You can avoid being shot on the street by not leaving your house. The blame lies with the shooter but you could avoid it if that was your goal.
Thats not what Im saying at all and I dont think my comment made it sound like that. Im 100% convinced that predators are at fault and should be the ones being punished. Maybe my comment was unclear, Im not a native speaker.
Not sure what you mean exactly but I wasnt talking about predators’ freedom.
Isn’t that just the point again though? Expressing suicidal thoughts is literally reaching out for help while being fully aware of the risk. If we accept those who impose that risk then we stigmatize reaching out for help. If we tell women to dress differently to avoid the risk we tell them the creeps are valid.
Yeah probably just a wording/text forum/secondary language thing. See below.
Probably same confusion as above.
So the talking points you’re making, at least in form and not intent, parallel arguments from evangelicals and other extreme right or fascist types. After talking I know you didn’t intend anything close to those viewpoints. However, I don’t feel it would have been appropriate to leave a statement unaddressed if there was a chance of interpretation in the malignant sense.
How exactly would they “Get in trouble”? Are we talking like bans or something?
For the record if anyone is in that position, I encourage you to PM me and we could talk there. I certainly don’t want to cause problems for anyone.
Isn’t it better to give people a reason to not die, instead of like, killing people?
I’m just some Lemmy user, I can’t fix the world
Not with that Attitude!
I feel like this is you fighting phantoms. I highly doubt anyone would want to actively help someone die instead like, referring them to a psychologist or therapist or something
I think the right to die is an important freedom. A society can’t be free without it. That’s all I have to say, I wanna avoid drama