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Jesus has so many things in common with Trump. It’s crazy.
Two thousand years from now, people will be reading the gospel of Little Marco Rubio, Lyin Ted Cruz, and RINO Lindsey Graham. Maybe they’ll just be known as “Little”, “Lyin”, and “Rino”. And everything Trump has done will be said to be a miracle.
in the story of Jesus 47’s parallel is Caesar
So not in it at all and mentioned maybe 2-3 times as a historical figure?
Leader of the organization being resisted. Largely unnamed because the identity doesn’t matter, the organization being resisted does
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Like Ging did to Wdwune in HxH
you tend to do that when you and your buddies are up to street crime
What’s the charge? Eating a meal? A succulent meal of loaves and fishes?
taking multiple roman soldiers’ equipment a mile down the road, destruction of money lender property, theft of grain
Not to mention destroying the local bread, fish, and wine economy.
The destruction of the money lenders property and the theft of grain were justified imo
as well as fucking with roman military logistics. i support all three of the things i listed
I actually sometimes do that to people too :P
Yubaba vibes
“From now, Willard, your name is Clark.”
It worked on Muhammad Ali too
Ron Swanson vibes
I guess the people who downvoted you didn’t feel these situations were comparable
The cool thing about being on an instance with downvotes disabled is I never have to worry about this sort of petty random downvoting stuff because I never see downvotes.
I always recommend this to people. It literally fixes lemmy. People are really quick to downvote here and it’s a serious negative aura even if you have thick skin
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Very common cult tactic to this day
Learn from the best.
Also a friend tactic. It’s just a nickname
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That’s one way to keep it a secret.
We have a Posh Mike at work.
I don’t even think he’s called Mike.
I have friends of which I could not tell you their legal name at Gunpoint
Your name is Gunpoint now.
friends of witch
is this witch… you?
Thanks, it is corrected
The names don’t have obvious meaning in English but they did in their original languages. Simon is a Hebrew name from the torah and means “he who hears”. Peter comes from Petros, the Greek translation of Cephas, the original Aramaic name Jesus gave him and means “rock”. So Jesus gave a Jewish guy with a Hebrew name an Aramaic (nick)name because Jesus saw him as the rock (foundation) of his church.
Yeah, his name was Simeon bar Jonah, Simon, son of Jonah, or by modern style, Simon Johnson. Then Jesus pops up and starts calling him the Rock… Simon the Rock Johnson. (also fun gravy, Dwayne means fishhook)
I thought Dwayne meant pipe?
I am amazed that the name “Pierre” (also french for stone) litterally comes from the greek for “rock”
Rome and it’s consequences
Now everything make sense. In spanish, “Peter” is “Pedro”, that sounds like “Piedra”, that means “Rock”
See also ‘petrify’ (make into rock) and ‘petroleum’ (rock fat)
The female for “Pedro” is “Petra”, what make it more obvious, and also “Petronila” is a woman name, that comes from “Petroleum”
I’d be fucking mad if my parents named me after petroleum
Late XX century in Mexico, were pretty common name your child based in their born date. So, there are so much woman called “Petronila” because were born in March 18th
I take it back, that’s a cool tradition
“The name’s Diesel now”
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omg, in french Peter is translated to Pierre which also means “rock”! i always assumed that was a coincidence
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Matthew 16:18
BTW I know this one because of Angels & Demons.
You can see them too?
i was once taught by a guy named Pete Rock and he was the first to tell you that his name means Rock Rock lol
Don’t know why you got downvoted, because that is some very good information. Thanks.
Similarly Platos name means broad, which was because he was a wrestler and kept up his physique. It also spawned a joke I’m fond of.
Diogenes wanders into Platos academy and says “Broadly speaking-” To which Plato responds “Yes I was now shut up”
Is this the time Plato threw Diogenes off the top of Hell In A Cell and through the announcer’s table?
also couldn’t the term mean “jacked” basically? like Plato= Daddy Swole essentially
Fuck you for this acursed comment.
Hmm, makes it more likely that Jesus never existed and the whole thing is made up by the church, imo. It’s always retrospective with names and meanings, especially if you name them “foundation”.
Jesus obviously existed. He wasn’t a god (he never claimed he was) but he obviously existed.
No, it’s not obvious at all. There’s no historic account of him aside of the bible. And yeah, the trinity thing, that was the church ~300 a.c.
There is historical account of him, just not from contemporary figures.
There are Roman historians who write of him, but they came years after.
It is generally accepted that the Christ figure is based on a historical figure however the story we are told now is much more tenuous as it is largely based on written works from folks who are retelling tales that may (or may not) have been known
Mind you we also have historical writings about Santa Claus
they don’t really talk of Jesus specifically though that’s the kicker.
If Jesus did miracles and had such an impact on the empire his name would be known his story would be better known.
The claim that Roman historians wrote about him is semi true they claim there are Christians and they have a Messiah but they never talk about what he did or anything. They mostly speak of the persecution of these people. So it makes a lot of things we think about Jesus unverified.
The only thing we know is Pontius Pilate under the rule of Tiberius allegedly killed their Messiah. That’s it.
The name Jesus, who he was or what he did is unverified and likely largely stolen. I’m pretty sure Gilgamesh was tied to being a carpenter or a son of a carpenter for instance
There are no contemporary records of Jesus.
Even of Pilate killing a guy named Jesus.
It all came later.
I’m simply saying there is a historical figure who fits the bill BUT the story as folks know it now starts as a retelling of a tale by people who came later.
So it starts with an untrustworthy narrator.
I’m not trying to say he existed one way or the other just that it’s more likely a guy did exist who loosely fits the bill and the story as we know it was able to grow and be built from there.
I’d bet the “real figure”, if I had to speculate, was more likely rejecting the theism of Judaism over trying to push another religion.
Nope. He’s just a man they considered their Messiah. The name Jesus isn’t recorded by any other source which is why he’s a questionable character. Somebody died, not sure if it was Jesus because as you bring up this happened and likely the story built up further. I mean allegedly Jesus was born in both Bethlehem but also he’s Jesus of Nazareth somehow? His story doesn’t track
I’d bet the “real figure”, if I had to speculate, was more likely rejecting the theism of Judaism over trying to push another religion.
He was absolutely. There are these groups called Mystery Cults they’re something between fraternal orders and religions kinda, all about secret rituals. It is likely things like the sacrament was made in response to these cults, possibly mocking them in some areas.
For insuance Jews were considered to practice evil magic, the Eucharist was probably Jesus literally mocking people thinking Jews eat flesh and drink blood it’s probable that he wasn’t speaking genuinely when he said eat my flesh drink my blood, he was probably joking.
Another reason to think he joked is that is the story we get that got Jesus in trouble, Palm Sunday, he walks into the city upon a donkey claiming he’s king of the Jews and son of God which was absolutely mocking the Roman Emperor at the time
Jesus was basically just an anti establishment punk who got killed by the state for saying they suck and it was so traumatic people still talk about it 2000 years later but likely many of the stories were condensed to express the Jewish experience in Rome at the time. I don’t believe he embraced as much spirituality as people believe he did.
Also every Hollywood agent with Jewish clients from 1900 until present day.
I’m imagining a Reservoir Dogs scene playing out about the names.
Someone on another mission trip is Acolyte Paul! I assign the names, otherwise we’d have a bunch of Jews dead from an argument over who gets to be Acolyte John. So, you are Acolyte Pink!
