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Today we’re very excited to announce the open-source release of the Windows Subsystem for Linux. This is the result of a multiyear effort to prepare for this, and a great closure to the first ever issue raised on the Microsoft/WSL repo:
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Making WSL open source could actually lead to some useful contributions and better transparency overall ; and good for Linux tools?
I still will never understand why it’s not called Linux Subsystem for Windows.
Maybe they just named it like the previous attempt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Services_for_UNIX
There’s a trademark for Linux so Microsoft can’t name a product starting with Linux.
So they can use Linux in the name, just not at the beginning? We’re so stupid. Can they do Windows Subsystem for Coke? Or Windows Subsystem for McDonald’s? Or Windows Subsystem for MacOs?
Good gravy.
I mean I guess it makes some sense. Linux Subsystem for Windows to the uninitiated might sound like it “comes from the Linux brand”, whilst Windows Subsystem for Linux sounds more like its made by Windows.
Copyright is always stupid
This is trademark, not copyright
Yeah but they aren’t wrong
Disney presents Good Gravy®️
Good Gravy®️ Presentation for Disney
I think trademark law has a strange history in the US
I’m sure it does, I was just being facetious.
Sorry, “gravy” is a registered trademark of Gravy, Inc.: https://trademarks.justia.com/854/89/gravy-85489026.html
I think this only applies to using the word “gravy” for payment services or a website referring to such a payment service. There was a prior trademark on the word for use with plush toy products.
Yes, there are a bunch of trademarks on the word “gravy”, in different industries. I was going to link to that one you mentioned, because for some reason despite being plush toy products, the company holding it was Bob Evans. But it’s since been canceled, and the company name doesn’t appear on the page, so I chose an active trademark instead.
Indeed, it’s why Apple could be trademarked as the name of an electronics company. But you can’t rock up to the trademark office and register “Pear” for a company selling pear-related products.
Not in the spirit of free software, if you ask me.
Still doesnt explain why it wasn’t called Windows Linux Subsystem (WLS)
I got hung up on this before too but it’s apparently “Windows Subsystem for (using) Linux”
I think it is because Windows has many subsystems, it’s just that you don’t hear about most of them aside from WSL.
So it is referring to the particular Windows Subsystem (of which there are many) that can run or emulate Linux.
Wait, Windows still has POSIX subsystem or is it only listed for documentation reasons (it was there at least in old NT days)?
Pretend I’m an idiot (should be easy), and tell me what this all is up in here.
Means that now anyone can fork the project and make changes or iterate on it without needing to wait for Microsoft to fix things.
Fanks
Np! Also forgot to add, I haven’t checked the license but generally with proper open source projects (as in not just source available) it means that even if Microsoft tries to revert this at any point, having forks of this version and continuing to develop and distribute versions of it is A-OK
Classic Microsoft Business Strategy
Embrace- Extend
- Extinguish
I am legit excited to install WINE Subsystem for Linux
Or how about KDE on ReactOS on WSL?
The possibilities are endless
Also try out winegui.
ReactOS has SUCH potential. I really wanna see it thrive.
Unfortunately building it was a disaster a few years ago, I should give it another go.
Why were you trying to build it? You can find both ““stable”” release and nightly builds on ReactOS website.
ReactOS 0.4.16 was just released, but I do recommend just getting a nightly build, unless it doesn’t work and you have enough patience to try out the regular version as well.
To try and contribute! :P gotta start somewhere
Fair play to Microsoft here. Hopefully we see some pull requests from non-ms employees and a better wsl experience for us all
Now it’s our time to do some EEE
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Oh you poor fool, if only you knew how good things could be…
Best?
not in the slightest.
Most convenient…maybe?
Let’s give them credit. Maybe their first experience was installing Gentoo, which is when Windows is better.
Great! With this source code out, I can finally complete the port to Linux. I call it WSL24L, aka “Windows Subsystem For Linux 2, For Linux”
Do you name every FOSS project? This is uncannily close to what an actual open source project would be called, including the logic behind it.
Nah, needs more recursion. The ‘W’ in “WSL” stands for “WSL”
Garbage on top of garbage. The true nature of macroshafts desperate grasp to get control of linux.
Its a godsend when you have to use Windows for whatever reason and you can have a functional OS to do things with.
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nice try. get fucked, microsoft.
So besides the brownie points, im curious what having it open sourced will benefit. Not like you can fork it to run on a different OS. You can make some extensions but to do what? You can’t really tie it further in to the host OS unless you know of some undocumented Win32 APIs.
Maybe im just not thinking creatively enough.
im curious what having it open sourced will benefit
MS won’t have to pay their own people to work on it anymore.
Watch someone reverse the thing into turbocharged WINE
The entire thing is for running Linux software on Windows, it’s the complete opposite of Wine.
The infrastructure can be duplicated and studied tho. Would be cool if a little dreamy
Sure, but not useful for wine or Linux
Not like you can fork it to run on a different OS.
For WSL1? yep that’s effectively impossible.
WSL2 is effectively just a wrapper around the kernel virtualization support and a bundling format, as long as whatever image you run talks to the host properly (like any other virtualised OS would) it’d run.
does that mean we could build a wsl that provides the flatpak environment, so that we could get a one click install flatpak for windows?
Should be possible, as it’s a normal VM you can already install flatpak apps in said VM as normal, you’d just need a Windows side bit to invoke the install within WSL when you opened the flatpak bundle, and then something to add a start menu shortcut from the app inside the VM (Which I actually assume already exists, I never actually ran WSL2 when I was on Windows)
WSL2 now supports WSLg which allows you to run X11 (or other graphics packages) natively now.
They released their code as MIT which is far more permissive than I was expecting. I was expecting some sort of proprietary license.
But they need to keep doing stuff like this. Devcontainers for VS Code is still proprietary and keeps me from running codium.
fuck microsoft and windows so hard. had to reinstall that shitshow on my mothers computer because a driver update fucked the whole networkstack… they throw error codes and what not but give no help whatsoever. the conclusion of everyone for every problem is to reinstall windows… shitshow of an os, keep your dirty hands of linux!! can’t wait to nuke it and install linux there and have no windows machine left
I reinstalled Windows and had to shit my pants because I was so disgusted in myself. Fuck windows
If you’re having to reinstall windows regularly you’re not very good at being the tech guy. I say this as someone who manages a support team for 50+ Windows machines, and who has been the tech guy for all my friends and family for decades. I can count the number of times I had to reinstall windows on one hand, with a few fingers to spare.
If you’re having to reinstall windows regularly
says who? what’s the fix for code 56? what can i do in the registry do solve the botched update? which files to check and/or remove? logfiles that give me a clue? come on tech guy enlighten us
Strange cause like I said, I’ve been doing this for literal decades and can count the number of times I’ve had to reinstall windows on one hand, with a few fingers to spare. 50+ windows machines at any given time at work for 15+ years. Every family members computers for 25+ years.
Never had “code 56”, but doesn’t seem like a hard fix: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/solvedunable-to-update-network-drivers-error-code/e34e928d-53a1-4bfa-b2c9-7157352b728d
One hand.
With fingers to spare.
Reading comprehension my friend… but what do i know, you are so great and superb
Reading comprehension? Huh? Maybe you missed my edit:
Never had “code 56”, but doesn’t seem like a hard fix: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/solvedunable-to-update-network-drivers-error-code/e34e928d-53a1-4bfa-b2c9-7157352b728d
sudo apt-get assorted -lettuce -cheese -onion
Thanks for the kek
