It needs to get even nastier so that it affects all the big players in a huge way so they get to do something about it. While it only affects the indie web we are all just gonna keep suffering.
The web doesn’t have a business model, cloudflair, you do. And nobody cares because you suck.
Eh, Cloudflare provides a pretty good service for a very reasonable price.
But yeah, the web doesn’t have a business model in the same way a town square doesn’t, yet you can make a business work in both areas. Make a compelling product and people will pay you for it.
You mean product that literally makes web unusable for many and tracks your every single step with extremely invasive fingerprinting techniques? That product?
I’d say that getting your server DDoSed makes it a whoooole lot less usable.
That’s a big reason why I don’t use their security layer, mostly just their domain registrar. They have a ton of products that don’t involve tracking your users.
Cloudflare provides a pretty good service for a very reasonable price.
You mean selling fingerprinted user data to advertisers?
Ever had one of your servers DDoSed before? Clearly not
Yeah I think we’re going to be grappling with this issue for at least the next decade. The traditional web model falls apart under AI
To be fair, the traditional web models were falling apart prior to AI as well. We’ve gone so far past “ad driven” that Everything has to be full of ads and clickbait to drive revenue just to run the infrastructure, let alone pay for the pages creation and upkeep. Journalists and developers, services and goods are all using adword soup to try to get anything close to a useful revenue stream and it’ll just keep getting worse until we figure out a better business model. We’re going to increasingly see paywalls to try to make up for that, but a large part of people on the internet won’t want to spend money on quality sources when they use to be able to get it for free. It’s been a race to the bottom for a while and it’s at a point that isn’t sustainable long term. AI just accelerates that to the next level.
What’s challenging about paywalls and not wanting to spend money is not necessarily not wanting to spend, but convenience and cost. If it costs me 10 cents for each blog or tutorial or github page I look at while working on a project, or 1 cent for every funny video, that adds up. And do I have to put my credit card in for every site? Hope that every site has good enough security to prevent payment information leaks?
And I don’t think anyone is interested in a Netflix-style internet that fractures into 6 different subscriptions to get every site you need on the web.
Some sort of universal microtransaction layer is the dream. I believe there’s also a proposed web standard for it.
Scroll was also making it work before they got bought by Twitter
That’s exactly Elon Musk’s goal with making Twitter a payment platform.
Scroll was just for reading websites though. Musk seems to want We chat style super app
Hah. No. That goes all the way back to the 90ies. Tim Berners-Lee proposed that standard.
Did I say Elon came up with the idea? I said that’s his goal.
Also not saying it like it’s a good thing, just stating a fact.
The traditional web was long gone anyways. There are like a dozent sites you find for any Google query. It’s so hard to find small hidden treasure on the internet.
When Google itself is the one stopping you from clicking on a website you’ve got a problem.
Hey Siri, insert the Donald Glover “GOOD.” meme.
Uhh, dude. Haven’t you heard that Siri is basically useless?
Maybe that’s why she just typed this post instead of inserting the meme.
nobody is going to want to create new content when they get paid nothing or almost nothing for doing so.
that’s a lie
People create content knowing others are going to get filthy rich off it and they’ll get nothing in return. Except total loss of privacy.
Old youtube was a pretty cool place and nobody got paid
Replace “nobody” with “nobody who contributes to society; nobody I gave a shit about in the first place” and you’re on track.
just because it’s free doesn’t mean it’s worthless, and charging for content doesn’t make it valuable
so basically back to internet 1.0, sounds good actually.
Agreed.
i like to publish content so that bots can scrape it and serve it to people without attribution i think it’s good i think ill publish some more interesting stuff right away
maybe their business model. trust me. they’ll find a way to monetize the zero click internet too. then it’s back to square one
I believe this is why tech execs and investors are so hot on pushing AI into everything. They’ll control everyone’s digital experience and you can 100% count on being force fed ads and paid propaganda. Embrace, extend, extinguish
Yeah, so much for all those promises of disintermediation being a benefit of the web.
Yep. They have direct control over the flow of information.
Honestly, Metal Gear Solid 2 was on fucking point.
And so was 4.
I tried playing 2 again recently because I had the same thought, and I had to stop because my wife would not stop laughing at Rose’s dialogue. God, I wish Kojima had ever met a woman.
And she’s 100% justified. The older you get the more appearant it becomes that he’s bad at writing dialogue and story. He’s a tendency of using controvencies to create drama and it often falls flat, if not into eye-roll territory.
I could not stop cringing during Death Stranding. I had to fast forward the ending. I imagine Margaret Qualley being completely bewildered when they were capturing her character’s twin soul melding scene.
I don’t necessarily think he’s bad at writing dialogue and story, I think he’s mostly just bad at writing women. As I’ve gotten older, I went from taking Metal Gear Solid super seriously to treating it like nuclear/techno Evil Dead
Yeah, we’re just less experienced and have fewer expectations when we’re young. We were much more impressionable then.
Guys in general are bad at portraying women, as I understand. That’s on top of being bad in general for Kojima, I think. There’s a funny interview with the MGS2 English translator Agness Kaku where she comments that the writing at times is high school fanfic level.
What parts of Rose’s dialogue made her laugh so much?
I could tell that it was commentary on the lonely and reserved lives that was stereotypical of gamers in the early to mid 2000s. So much of that game was meant to be directed towards the player, I wonder if it fell on deaf ears for her because she’s not really the target audience.
Letting Google break the law for years with illegal anti-competitive practices is now hurting everyone else’s ability to earn money.
I wonder if we have the combined will to do anything about it, or if we will wait and hope the invisible hand of the market will fix it…
if we will wait and hope the invisible hand of the market will fix it…
Have we lost faith in our handsome businessman? /s
Can someone check in with the inventor of the web and ask him what the web’s business model is?
Anyone know Al Gore’s email?
I didn’t come here for heartwarming stories; yet here I am.
Don’t take this the wrong way, but fuck your business model. The internet was supposed to be open and be ours, and you stole it for profit.
The first spam email was sent in 1978. It’s been downhill since.
To be honest: you can still make your own website, and in many ways big companies are actually making it easier through open-source projects and stuff like Let’s Encrypt. The web industry is remarkably open compared to what big companies do in other industries. A lot of the standards meetings and stuff you can just go to and give your opinion. Or ignore the standards and fork it yourself. This alarmism I fear will make people not take the actually alarming things like encryption bans or ID requirements seriously.
Only for some things, though. If you host your own e-mail these days, chances are, you’re going to have a very difficult time sending them anywhere without risking them being deleted, or automatically thrown into spam folders.
True, but sadly that’s because of what became a genuine user safety concern
Because, as user sfled pointed out…
The first spam email was sent in 1978
also independent of that, fuck cloudflare
And fuck the region-blocking that often comes with cloudflare.
Lol. Yup 100%
Everyone is too busy doomscrolling TikTok to notice.
I’m not buying whatever a billionaire nepo baby CEO monopoly owner is pedaling. Let’s hear what some labor leaders have to say about it for a change.
i’d like to be a labor leader, but i’m not (yet). Yet here’s my opinion:
Knowledge was meant to be free since the beginning. I look at ideas as human-cultivated, carefully cultured viruses. They’re packages of information that live within a host.
They’re a lot less aggressive than their feral counterparts, but they’re still individual beings who want to spread. Holding back knowledge is unnatural, and the internet should be free.
Yeah, the odds are really stacked against businesses when it comes to sharing information.
The fact they’ve been able to keep such a stranglehold on it for so long is really a testament to how much excess power they have over our societies.
Future generations are laughing at us, and rightfully so.
peddling
Nice. For a second I thought I got one of those Nicole DMs lol.
But it’s felony contempt of busoness model!!
Are they still defending the fact they host Stormfront?
Host_ed_, right? They did drop them at some point, I thought.
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