Youthful rebellion transcends technology.
Is there much difference between this and, say, using a pen to drill a hole in your desk?
We did it for the love of the game and not to impress strangers
Bullshit you did it to impress the other nosepickers, same reason these kids are doing it.
Yup, the nose pickers just moved online.
Pen is less likely to start a fire and or create toxic smoke.
Drilling a hole in your desk doesn’t lead to cancer.
Desks are cheaper, and the hole only slightly impairs functionality.
I’m not so sure about cheaper. A quick google search shows the desks I used in school are priced around $400-$600 depending on type (different subjects had different desks), whereas the Chromebooks are around $250. I definitely agree with your second point, though.
i don’t know much about school desk but I can get a nice standing desk for $600. That is nuts.
Also I wonder if they sell replacement parts.
I’m sure the schools don’t pay that much for the desks (or the Chromebooks) since they buy in bulk – those are just the prices I could find for single units. I was more trying to show the difference in price, rather than exactly how much the schools spend.
Not even that, but they are simple and repairable. I remember we had these sleigh-style desks (same idea except the seat was one-piece molded plastic) that were a total of four parts (two rails, the seat and the desk top) aside from bolts/hardware, and they had a graveyard of parts to replace pieces as needed. And those desk were tough as all hell.
Sounds great, but… unfortunately, it seems impossible to tilt on the chair with those, which I see as an essential part of going to school.
Also, the heights of the chair and table seem unadjustable, and it seems the pupil is seated too far away from the desktop to actually be comfortable.
What a useless piece of piss. Yeah, at least it’s repairable, but is such a stupid piece of faulty furniture even worth repairing?
Again, that was the style and not the exact ones we had, but yeah they were all fixed position, however ours weren’t too bad. I dunno, I don’t remember anyone complaining much, I was on the taller side of my peers and fit fine while I recall even the smaller kids were alright too. Id wager a big reason they were chosen was so kids couldn’t balance on the back legs, fall back and crack dome. They were great for cracking your back!
Industrial strength furniture that can withstand decades of abuse is not cheap.
And isn’t rendered unusable by a “hole drilled by a pen”. The person comparing a desk to a Chromebook is making a ridiculous comparison.
its cheap when you consider the desk could still be fully functional 100 years from now. good luck getting a chromebook to last even a quarter of that
Huh. Never realized chromebooks were priced that low.
Thanks for the correction.
They are very cheap. We had to buy them ourselves for our kids, which at least gave choices. We settled n $400 because for the cost of the cheapest piece of shit laptop, we could get a high end Chromebook that ran circles around it: faster, much more durable, much lighter, multiple times battery life
Chromebooks are designed to be cheap and disposable. I’ve seen some as low as ~$100. That doesn’t mean you can’t get some very expensive ones, but since they basically only allow you to use Google and a select few apps from the play store, I don’t know why the expensive ones exist.
I got an EOL Chromebook for $50, dropped Mint on it & use it to run a 3D printer instead of a raspberry pi.
laptops > raspberry pi imo. Having a screen is SO useful. I just got an old laptop to watch YouTube and mp4s on my TV without ads. Way better than the slow ad filled Roku OS
I used to have one as my primary work device for a few years. Honestly, it was surprisingly usable once you find online analogs for all typical things you do on a computer.
The biggest issue is you’d be using a free online service for some application, and then they start charging per month or the company goes under and you lose your work, so you have to keep finding new services and exporting your work to a common format that won’t disappear to a central file system like Drive diligently.
Also, most school laptops are old. Someone did this at my school and got charged (iirc) $175 since it was the really old kind
What sort of hole were you drilling in a desk with a pen in order to completely render the desk unusable?
They also don’t release magic smoke. All my homies hate vandalizing desks.
I’ve never done that either. The fuck? did you eat paint as a kid?
Thank you, it’s relieving to see that some people don’t fall for the “kids today” bullshit
Good, chromebooks suck.
What do you suggest children use instead?
r/kidsarefuckingstupid
I remain utterly convinced that Tiktok is nothing but a chinese psyop experiment to see how far they can manipulate people into actions that would otherwise be prevented by our brains screaming in self preservation.
Has there ever been a “good” trend on tiktok? Every week its just another destructive thing that gullible idiots are being tricked into doing.
I agree. I was exposed to a lot of leftist content on tiktok and it’s made me want to protest. Good thing you explained that it’s stupid.
TBF TikTok wants the US Government to fail regardless of who is in office at the time.
It’s like that meme from flippanarchy the other day.
Sees teenagers doing dumb shit, like they have since literally forever
“Is this a plot by the despotic orientals?!”
Fucking listen to yourself. I’m not on TikTok. I just don’t care for vertical short-form video as a concept. But even I can tell you that not every TikTok trend is teenagers being destructive idiots.
oh wow the .ml user is getting super offended over criticism of china/russia.
how original
Russia isn’t even a part of this discussion. I’m honestly more offended by your opinions of teenagers.
But that aside, it’s not about “defending” these States. It’s that your tone is dripping with orientalist racism
Sure buddy.
Lmao what a fucking racist loser! You can’t even respond with anything meaningful
Sure pal.
Olympic level stretching
People have just been doing dumb things for reputation since forever. We had the cinnamon challenge back in our day.
yeah, the cinnamon challenge was dumb… but it didnt involve mass destruction, psychotic behavor, or contaminating food\ in stores.
So its hardly comparable.
Also it wasnt Tiktok. Predates it, significantly.
Accurate username
Obligatory “China hate” comment missing the forest for the trees.
Soon as Chump took office the moderation flipped. It was open and handled well. Now if you call a corrupt politician an asshole you get a violation.
Talk about Palestine get a violation. Critical of the Chump regime get a violation.
Chow somehow inserted himself fully up Chumps ass on like Jan 22. TT hasn’t been the same since.
TikTok always favored Trump because China always favored Trump and TikTok is operated by Chinese Military directly out of Chinese servers which also store location data, contacts, text message history, and photo library of every device which has ever installed TikTok.
It’s a weapon to be used against the US now and since always.
[…] TikTok is operated by Chinese Military directly out of Chinese servers which also store location data, contacts, text message history, and photo library of every device which has ever installed TikTok.
It wouldn’t surprise me, but can you point me to a trustworthy source confirming that claim? Also, does the TikTok app refuse to work without those permissions granted (Location, Contacts, SMS, Photos and videos)?
But at the very least, why wouldn’t the Chinese government do what they think can get away with?
Same reason they could be respecting human rights but choose not to.
Years ago it was reported on by Internet 2.0 which was shared by news organizations such as Huffington Post. Additionally there was this guy on Reddit 5 years ago who decompiled the app and shared all the results on a subreddit made specifically for it LINK HERE and he claims that the app is literally more malware-like data collection than actual video playing app, like the amount of install data is mostly just the data collection tools.
There were also House of Representatives intelligence briefings that went public but god those things are hard to sit through and read.
If TikTok didn’t want these stories swept under the rug and if there wasn’t truth to these stories they could have sued these people for defamation. But they didn’t, implying they would have lost the case handily and looked bad for it.
We skipped our 3310s down the road Infront of our school without tiktok brainrot. Kids today need chinese to tell them to be stupid. Back in our day, we were stupid on our own!
Was the road ok?
Yeah, this is yous lemmitors being conspiracy poisoned by the internet.
back in our day, our stupid wasnt malicious mass destruction or food tampering.
It was actual stupid shit, like trying to jump over your friend as he raced towards you on his bike, or falling off a roof, Shit that only hurt yourself, if anyone. Wasnt breaking and entering and destroying shit so people in the next town over would think you were cool. We were stupid, but we werent that stupid.
Nah kids always do things that end up being malice since they don’t know it is maliceful. Kits are by definition retarded. Its expected of them to do dumb things.
The fact you didn’t just means you were lucky.
It’s curated to cause problems, I wouldn’t believe anything otherwise. Douyin which is the Chinese version shows completely different content, including government narratives. Tiktok is straight brain rot, and I believe it’s curated to encourage poor behavior in users outside of China.
Has there ever been a “good” trend on tiktok?
The ice bucket challenge was making rounds again. But there’s basically infinite harmless trends that nobody thinks of. The 100 men versus 1 gorilla thing is a trend and unless somebody jumps in a gorilla pen for Harambe 2.0 it’s been harmless.
Reminder that the ice bucket challenge is something that raises awareness and funds for ALS research.
My question was “was there ever a good trend from tiktok”
Icebucket challenge was from before tiktok existed.
So kinda proving my point.
I know, but it’s recently began again on TikTok after years of being a pretty dead trend.
Yeah because usa needs help destroying their youth
I was dealing with this all last week till finally a kid did it and his battery melted the computer in my classroom. He was told multiple times not to do it so now he is getting charged with possible arson. I have dealt with him doing stupid shit for the past 3 years and now finally the admins do something because it was so outlandishly stupid they have to. I am so glad I am retiring in less than 20 days.
I’m sorry you did such good for the world but found only trash children to educate.
explain to me why tiktok is promoting these videos and not censoring them?
they censor cuss words on there, but not videos of encouraging kids to hurt themselves or others?
but, there were always idiot fucking things up in school… well before the internet. tiktok is just channeling that.
….
also, forcing kids to use chromebooks is child abuse… especially since schools spy on kids through themI searched and the first time ever received a message about tiktok protection, etc. They are censoring apparently.
We live in hell
So you mean there are laptop USB ports out there without current limiters?
I would want to check my PC’s ports, but I am not filthy rich, so I’ll just assume stuff is not current limited.Sadly, this makes me miss when people pretended to slip and fall at the grocery store so they could throw milk jugs in the air and make a mess.
lol
Behold the next generation of voters.
It’s how the US got Trump. The “Trump Train” was a meme, first.
Aren’t the families responsible for the damages?
Yes they are. These 9th graders are feral though. That realization would require forethought.
Some of these kids should have been sent out to cut trail for a year between HS and Middle School.
*Junior High
In the states I’ve lived in, Junior High and Middle school are both synonymous with grades 6-8
This is highly dependent on the state and even the areas within a state. Here in California for instance we have the Williams Act which lays out a ton of guidance. Some of which impact students paying for things at schools. Some districts in the state view Williams Act and 1:1 Chromebook deployments as being something that the student/parents aren’t responsible for paying for even when they purposefully damage it. This can change though from region to region in the state based on how a districts legal team and its board chooses to read the law since no one so far (at least as far as I was last aware and I work in edtech) has pushed to see where it stops or starts. I’ve worked for districts that were on separate ends of that spectrum and even in the district that made parents pay for damages we still would give them a replacement and not charge them since it was added to a “tab” and only if they wanted transcripts did they have to pay.
That’s fair. In my district your insurance is covered if you qualify for assistance, but intentional damage isn’t included in insurance.
In my school we will still replace the Chromebook though (barring admin or district saying otherwise), and the financial impact will be fought by others at the district level. It’s above my pay grade.
What does “cut trail” mean in this context? Do you mean literally going to walking trails and maintaining them? Is there precident for that?
That was what I was referring to. I was being a bit hyperbolic, but a year in national service (beyond just the military) to do community service and gain skills in general not a new proposal. Pete Buttigieg suggested it after HS as part of his candidacy during the 2020 democratic primary.
I was having a similar conversation with my teen - out hiking and wondering how the trails were built and maintained. We talked scouting service projects and all the way back to the WPA, but have no actual info. The park is a hill so there are several rough stone stairways up to the ridge trail. They probably last years but do need attention
Occasionally you see online ideas about a year of service for every new adult and this would be a good option
How about the “graduate from highschool challenge”?
Felony conviction any % speed run.
Why throw the kids in the slammer? So they can eventually come back out as hardened criminals and contribute to the recidivism statistics, further circling society down the drain because they were betrayed by the corporations that injected their explosive products into our tax-funded school systems? They should give the TikTok kids full STEM scholarships for exposing these dangerous design flaws!
Hold the Chromebook manufacturer liable for the unsafe hardware design flaw with no overcurrent protection, hold the school liable for recklessly issuing these dangerous laptops that cheaped out on safety features, and hold Google liable for neglecting power handling in their Chromebook software! Get the CPSC on the phone and get every single Flamebook recalled across the nation!
It’s outrageous, egregious, preposterous!
But how else will google sell overpriced computers to schools despite lack of funding and force children to growing up with google products?
Isn’t the entire premise of Chromebooks is that they are extremely cheap compared to having actual laptops or iPads?
I think that’s what corporate propaganda said but I have never been able to find the procurement co tracts for these. I would love to see how the cost structure. I have a feeling it won’t that cheap TBH
As I age I find myself feeling more and more like the cool step-dad or uncle.
Y’know I hate everything Chromebooks stand for. “You get 'em, kid. Now how about we get some pizza?”
Well, maybe a school-issued computer should be designed differently than a consumer device.
Maybe such things should be considered beforehand.
In industrial ergonomics you are supposed to, ideally, present a worker with a few buttons with abundantly clear results of pressing them and no forbidden combinations leading to unexpected\undefined\dangerous results.
Kids sticking things into what’s given to them are not an unexpected event. I’d say kids doing that are better than kids not doing that. And if it’s expected, then this is almost entrapment.
Oh, oh, OH, you can’t just put a consumer device with a web browser with Google and MS and Apple shit into schools then? No kickbacks from those companies? So fucking sad.
Forcing a kid to wear around a centrally managed device with a microphone and a camera makes me want to vomit. That should be illegal as many other things. It’s a disgusting world.
These should be military-level (by resilience to attempts to throw them out of the window, sink them in the water, overheat them and so on) devices with something like FreeDOS+OpenGEM. That’s by far enough to run school programs. If you think it’s not, then you are possessed by collective delusions, that’s a thing in crowd psychology, so drink a glass of water, listen to cars\birds, look at the sky and answer which fundamentally new tasks you need to solve as compared to having year 1999 Internet (as in open a static webpage, follow links, send forms), WordPerfect and Basic. Especially at school.
We use axes, knives, hammers and screwdrivers and other stuff to do things, more or less as they existed 300 years ago, when we are not professionals, who of course use power tools.
Arguably they already do take physical abuse into account, by focussing on cheap replacements
That’s not cheap. Schools can’t afford that. The kids know better.
That can be as cheap as Chromebook. Expenses at reliability are partially redeemed by no need for such complexity and computing power.
Chromebooks that schools use don’t have any computing power to speak of. There’s none to lose
Compared to a machine good enough to run TIE Fighter and not more - they do. Should remove that difference.
Chromebooks are much more expensive than normal computers.
A Chromebook for school kids costs around $200 when I was in school 5 years ago… A normal computer would cost closer to 500
A normal computer would cost closer to 500
Wrong.
A standard issue laptop would be around 500 for mid range. Maybe prices have changed recently idk
Chromebooks are cheap compared to average laptop but still expensive compared to identical laptops with same components.
So I should have said overcharged instead of expensive.
2GB ram chromebooks you can find on ebay are an exception as they are not getting any more updates soon.
Unsure why this has downvotes and not more conversation, it’s not that hot of a take and downvotes don’t mean anything here.
It’s maybe not that hot a take to lifelong nerds who grew up with the Apple II and are disconnected from how kids use computers in schools in the 21st century.
“School computers should be more durable and run Linux” isn’t that hot a take. FreeDOS??? WTF?
Not to mention that he basically called everyone who disagrees with him stupid.
with something like FreeDOS+OpenGEM.
Sigh. Watching windows users try to make sense of the computing world is always cringe.
I’m not a Windows user. Unix-likes are also too complex for most tasks.
And your tone evokes suspicion that you’ve switched to Linux not so long ago and think that brings authority. Nah. It’s just an OS. Its users are as qualified as Windows users. When you’ll be able to explain to me how an IP packet passes through the networking stack, or something like that, then maybe. At least how virtual memory works, or swapping, or syscalls, or process scheduling.
OK, admittedly I don’t remember shit of any of that.
Just - wanting something more minimal doesn’t mean I’m ignorant of Unices.
the so-called Chromebook Challenge includes students sticking things into Chromebook ports to short-circuit the system.
I am rather surprised that works. I thought any modern device would have overload protection in place. I think I even remember accidentally tripping it on some device, but it would just reset after reboot.
I also tried to see the max output current of my previous phone this way. Load it up till the protection trips. Result: Stable up to 2.1A, tripped at 2.5A.Oh, yeah. A Xiaomi phone charger I have also shuts down if I either overload it or immediately load it near max rating rather than gradually increase the load.
Maybe they are poking a hole in the lithium battery
People used to do this in the UK with their ZX spectrums.
once put usb-c in a usb-a port and my desktop pc performed an immediate reboot without any permanent harm…
