• NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    6
    arrow-down
    19
    ·
    11 months ago

    “converted major roads” is very different from “ripped out completely”

    entire precincts, to foot traffic only

    I actually live next to a few places that have done this… with one or two streets for about 3 blocks in a downtown area… and they all have streets on the backsides to handle cargo delivery and trash pickup… so again, not “ripped out completely”.

    • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      21
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      11 months ago

      The great thing about FOOT traffic, is you don’t need roads. You only need paths (e.g. the sidewalk) to bike or trolley inventory around.

      How about YOU provide evidence of ANYWHERE converting blocks of a suburb or city to parkland, and suddenly facing the supply chain crisis you hypothesise? If you can’t, then your argument is imaginary and based on nothing but your own biases… and maybe you should support change until there’s reasonable evidence that it doesn’t work… and no, a sample size of one is not evidence.

      • NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        16
        ·
        11 months ago

        There isn’t any township of any appreciable size (>50k pop) that has completely ripped out road infrastructure that I know of. I can’t prove a negative.

        Do you have an example of a location that has done so?

            • themusicman@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              9
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              11 months ago

              Where does it say all roads? I think it’s pretty clear in context that they’re not suggesting that

              • NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                3
                arrow-down
                5
                ·
                edit-2
                11 months ago

                A government adviser has called for roads in cities to be “ripped out completely” to combat air pollution.

                […]

                We should start changing our cities and actually start thinking about ripping out road infrastructure and turning them into green spaces or green transport corridors.

                • themusicman@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  9
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  11 months ago

                  And? I mean, sure it could technically be interpreted that way, but with only three words of the original quote, “all roads” is a pretty unkind reading IMO. More likely the article has deliberately introduced ambiguity to stoke exactly the outrage you exhibit.

                  • NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    6
                    ·
                    11 months ago

                    sure it could technically be interpreted that way

                    How else would you interpret it (within the constrained context of this particular article, and not including anything from your pre-existing personal opinions)?

                    More likely the article has deliberately introduced ambiguity

                    Then why is this article here, and received positively by this community?

                    the outrage you exhibit.

                    projection, or else hyperbolae

        • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          11 months ago

          You’ve bought into a strawman if you believe the intention is to remove all road infrastructure from an entire city. No city on earth would ever do that.

          Imagine if every second parallel street were a grass strip, instead of a road. Fire trucks, ambulances, vans, etc could still drive down them as needed, and nowhere would be more than a couple of blocks from a road, but regular traffic capacity would be cut by 50%, and so would pollution.

          • NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            11 months ago

            You’ve bought into a strawman if you believe the intention is to remove all road infrastructure from an entire city.

            So did every person who upvoted this article, apparently. And the person who uploaded it.

            Imagine if every second parallel street were a grass strip, instead of a road. Fire trucks, ambulances, vans, etc could still drive down them as needed, and nowhere would be more than a couple of blocks from a road, but regular traffic capacity would be cut by 50%, and so would pollution.

            This idea is a lot more sensible. It is NOT what is proposed in the article.

            What the article proposes is the idea that I am arguing against, not your idea.