• NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
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    11 months ago

    Uh huh, and what about material delivery to stores, restaurants, &etc in the city? What about postal service?

    We should absolutely invest more in public transit, but light rail and buses are not logistics solutions.

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      11 months ago

      Trains carry cargo all the time. I don’t think it’s too crazy to suggest light rail be adapted to do the same.

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        11 months ago

        And we’re going to build rails to every store, restaurant, and other business that needs cargo pickup & delivery? And run a train to each of them, every day? And you think that would end up being more efficient/environmentally friendly than trucks?

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            11 months ago

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CarGoTram

            The main route went from the logistics center in Friedrichstadt via Postplatz and Grunaer Straße to Straßburger Platz and finally on to the factory.

            This went from one logistics center to one production facility. It is insane to think that this could be a scalable solution.

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              11 months ago

              Wow, a train line goes defunct in a country that heavily subsidizes car infrastructure and actively works against other modes of transportation. I’m shocked, really. Shocked.

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                11 months ago

                I didn’t say anything about it going defunct. That has to be one of stupidest attempts at a straw man I’ve ever seen.

                I pointed out that it only ever carried material from one location to one other location, and that such a system would not be scalable to serving an entire city.

                Did you even read my comment?

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          11 months ago

          Delivery of a full kitchen is not something that makes up the majority of traffic. I don’t think anyone is saying you can’t use a van for the “last mile” in such edge cases.

          Even washing machines can be delivered by cargo bike/trike though.

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            11 months ago

            How would you ‘use a van’ if the roads are “ripped out completely”?

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              11 months ago

              You do understand nobody is talking about ripping out all roads everywhere, right?

              Right?

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                It’s literally the title.

                I can’t even understand down voting this, unless you’re delusional.

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                  Oh, you’re basing your opinions on fact-twisting headlines of right-wing “newspapers”, instead of, you know, reading the actual article where even they have to paint the picture just a liiittle bit differently.

                  You do understand the difference between “removing roads completely” and “removing all roads”, right?

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                    You do understand the difference between “removing roads completely” and “removing all roads”, right?

                    What do you think the distinction is, in this context?

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                    And which one is it that you think is being proposed to be “ripped out completely” in this article?

                    Based on your link, I believe in this context it is ‘streets’.

                    Well, just go back and read my arguments, and then recognize that all of them apply to ‘streets’, and that making the distinction between ‘streets’ and ‘roads’ does not weaken my arguments in any way.

                    Try a different approach, something besides pedantry.

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          11 months ago

          Have a look at the Netherlands friend. I’ve seen people towing dishwashers behind their bikes more than once while living there.

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          11 months ago

          You joke, but I have done this. Wheelchair accesible trams are awesome for this. Put appliance on hand truck walk it into the tram. No heavy lifting required like when loading it in a car.

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              A cheap logistics hand truck carries weights up to 250kg. If you need more it become a bit annoying because you need to switch to using OSB Boards with casters.

              Source: My life and helping friends move.

              Bonus: Hand trucks are really convenient to transport full size kegs and CO2 bottles to parties by tram.

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      Who said we were abandoning all of them?
      Street vs Road.

      You can totally have delivery vehicles for stores on a street, but no other cars are allowed.

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        This is different from “ripped out completely”, which is what is proposed in the article. So the answer to your question is that Dr. Fuller said that.

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          Apparently you didnt read past the headline and dont want to understand the content… welp, cant help ya there.

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            11 months ago

            “We should start changing our cities and actually start thinking about ripping out road infrastructure and turning them into green spaces or green transport corridors."

            You mean that ‘rest of the article’?